Wladimir Klitschko is not shot

[dan_cov]

Obviously there is wear and tear there but I don't think it was his age or decline that was the deciding factor. People say about being him being unable to pull the trigger yet that is just his nature and always has been. He also had no problems in the 11th and 12th pulling the trigger when he knew he had to go for broke.

He looked similar against Ibragimov, Chambers etc
Even against Povetkin there was dozens of opportunities to let his right hand go but he was too hesitant of getting countered over the top so would opt too clinch instead.

Lets not take away from Fury. He did all the right things, backed his mouth up and beat the most dominant champion out there.

It doesn't matter how great you are if you fight enough you'll eventually find someone with the antidote. Fury had it. Not just Tyson, credit to his whole team as ugly as it was they done their homework.

Its always so and so is shot, he was on this and that. Why can't we ever just give credit without detracting from a fighters win?

[dan_cov]

His footwork looked as good as ever when he was pressing. In fact I feel Wladimir looked lighter on his feet than he has in some recent fights.
His stamina was also real good his workrate might not of been but he pressed none stop, he was constantly reacting too feints which is very tiring. The only thing which appeared maybe obvious was Wladimir seemed a little bit slower than he has in recent years but then again Fury is a lot, lot faster than people realise. He can shift for a 6ft9, 250lb guy.

I didn't really see an old man in there.
I seen the same overly cautious, fairly limited Wladimir in there against a giant who can move and had a very good strategy.
Wladimir is very conservative at the best of times and Fury's movement, feints, switching, reach & crudeness kept him in his shell.

Wlad can still bounce back and beat quite possibly everyone maybe even including Fury. Not everybody has Fury's size or versatility.

[denium]

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Originally Posted by denium

Let me just make one thing clear, Wladimir Klitschko is not shot.

A year ago, Wladimir KO'd Pulev who at the time was considered the second best HW in the world. After it happened, people claimed that this was the best ever version of Wladimir, that he matures like a fine wine. Many people put him straight into their top three p4p fighters.

Then he fought Jennings, not as impressive a performance by any means, but he still won every round pretty easily.

Now onto his latest fight. Tyson Fury is a fighter who takes his opponents best weapons away from them. Against Chisora, he fought the entire fight southpaw, took away Chisora's best weapon (his big overhand right) and make him look very limited. NSB then decided that Chisora was shot, despite Chisora being on the best win streak of his career.

Against Wladimir, Fury again took away his best weapon (his jab) with constant feints and head movement. This again made Wlad look very limited and of course, NSB said he's shot.

There's a pattern appearing here. People need to recognise the skill of Tyson Fury. Put Wladimir in against a Povetkin or a Wilder and see what happens. No other HW understands the sport like Fury and the technicalities behind it. He understands angles, can control distance etc.

The only way of beating Tyson Fury is to knock him out, you won't win a decision against him.

Hard to take the analysis seriously of someone who thinks that a glancing blow from Wlad is evidence that Fury has a chin.

People were claiming on here that Wlad would KO Fury with a jab. 'Cunningham knocked down Fury doe, he's a cruiserweight' etc.


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[Elroy1]

1. Ibragimov made Wlad look less than stellar because he was completely fighting to survive. It is very difficult to look great against someone who is doing this.

2. Ibragimov > Fury until there is substantial more evidence otherwise.

If not for the unfortunate incidence of Ibragimov being in the Klitschko era, he would have been an instant HOFer.

You have only a handful of so called "ATG's" even who could have even boxed with Ibragimov let alone win against him.

[Fury4daWIN]

wladimir was high on p4p lists because he was so dominant when compared to guys of his size, not because he looked as good as he did when he was in his prime.

in his prime he had a lot going for him. his jab was always on point, and hthe right hand or the left hook would come behind it when mistakes were made. he never went out there to set the thing up and take lives, but he'd be able to capitalize on your mistakes. he didn't do that against fury. he'd paw his way in and set up a clinch


wladimir hasn't been a top p4p fighter for a while if you consider his ability. lot of people put too much stock into resume / track record when they look at the p4p list. relly, you want to know who would win if these guys were the same size and fought, not who has the best record.

P4P's a meaningless concept anyway. It's always going to bias one side over the other.

[b00g13man]

Didn't Freedom have Wladimir P4P #1 in September? Even after knowing the results of the Jennings fight?

He most certainly did. Well....according to the unbiased boxrec rankings.

[Fury4daWIN]

Obviously there is wear and tear there but I don't think it was his age or decline that was the deciding factor. People say about being him being unable to pull the trigger yet that is just his nature and always has been. He also had no problems in the 11th and 12th pulling the trigger when he knew he had to go for broke.

He looked similar against Ibragimov, Chambers etc
Even against Povetkin there was dozens of opportunities to let his right hand go but he was too hesitant of getting countered over the top so would opt too clinch instead.

Lets not take away from Fury. He did all the right things, backed his mouth up and beat the most dominant champion out there.

It doesn't matter how great you are if you fight enough you'll eventually find someone with the antidote. Fury had it. Not just Tyson, credit to his whole team as ugly as it was they done their homework.

Its always so and so is shot, he was on this and that. Why can't we ever just give credit without detracting from a fighters win?

Excellent post. It's so easy to dismiss someone as shot after you previously backed them to win. It detracts from the other fighter's victory and helps you save face (well he would have won if he had been in his prime...). But if everyone does it then the whole sport becomes a joke. No one ever fights anyone worth a damn (because they're all shot or 'exposed') and therefore how can they be any good themselves? It's a horrible attitude and one redolent of schoolyard mentality.

To be fair to a lot of the Wlad fans, they did give credit to Fury after the win and have been generally quite complimentary of his performance. It mainly seems to be the casual fans, those who dismissed Fury's chances because they'd seen a few gifs of him being knocked down by Cunningham, who seem to have done the turnaround and pounced on Wlad. That and the obvious trolls. They'll be the same with Wilder after he takes his first loss, or any future fighter they back to win.

[BattlingNelson]

Wlad isn't shot?

Let's see.

39 years old.

Throws half the number of punches against Fury than against Haye. 231 to 509.

Yeah man. He ain't shot. He's got like 10 years left of his prime. At the very least.

[b00g13man]

Wlad isn't shot?

Let's see.

39 years old.

Throws half the number of punches against Fury than against Haye. 231 to 509.

Yeah man. He ain't shot. He's got like 10 years left of his prime. At the very least.

[soul_survivor]

I agree completely, Wlad is not shot, far from it but he isn't quite at his absolute best of say 2010 and 2012.

What Fury did to him was beat him mentally and then out size him. Unless Wlad can completely overhaul his style, he will lose to Fury again but still be able to beat the Povetkins and Pulevs of he division.