Comments Thread For: Peter Nelson Named Executive Vice President, HBO Sports

[Eastcoast]

haymon would want options on them. it's simply an impasse. one of them will have to fail for us to have a unified(-ish) sport again

Not in the case of mandatories.

Kovalev is mando for Stevenson, Quillin/Jacobs for Golovkin. Crawford could become mando at 147 for the new champ there. Lomo could do like Kovalev & Golovkin and fight for a mando position with the WBC.

[bigdunny1]

See you get all worked up about that, but that seems to me easily like it could be a be careful what you ask for you just might get it situation. It seems at very least arguable, I think you'd admit, Beterbiev, while super established for a guy with 9 fights, could use a fight or two seasoning vs top ten caliber opposition before taking on the best guy in the division (idc who is/was the ring champion, Kovalev is #1 guy, just like GGG is the #1 guy @ MW in my eyes) & maybe once that offer got made that reason prevailed. Instead of that its that f#cker Haymon's fault. And granted maybe Haymon said "bruh maybe we need to get you a lil more experience before throwing you in with Kovalev" & Beterbiev agreed at some point in that discussion, but even doe I wanted to see that fight now I can't deny its better for Beterbiev's long term success & career & bank account to get a fight or two before that fight happens.

More seasoning? Dude is 30 years old with a long amateur career he is not a young fighter and all year he was not talking about we need more seasoning he was calling out kovalev for a fight now. He gets a fight now for more money then he can make fighting anyone else and a direct shot at the title. Basically everything his team has been asking for. Then all a sudden they turn it down and want to go the eliminator route. It's not rocket science, Haymon shut the fight down wants to force a purse bid later on to force Kovalev to vacate his belt or fight on another network which his contract with HBO won't allow. So there won't be a bigger fight for more money down the line. He will likely get a vacant belt and the fight never happens. No other promoter or manager would advise a fighter to do what Beterbiev is doing and it's clearly only happening because of the Haymon dynamic with HBO.

[SilverMiles]

Lara's ratings on ESPN were higher than Willie Monroe's when he won their Boxcino tournament. The ratings argument is a poor one. What PBC is doing now is playing a game of attrition. GGG, Lomanchenko, Kovalev, & Canelo are their biggest stars. PBC has all the top fighters from their divisions. Except Canelo, I'm not sure what division he's fighting. Kovalev is so starved for opponents they have Ward a contract on the promise he'll fight Kovalev & we're seeing an unnecessary rematch with Pascal. Canelo won't give GGG a shot so he's stuck fighting Johnson for his mandatory. Meanwhile PBC has Quillin, Jacobs, Jermall & Lara are about to move up to MW too. They're talking about a Canelo/Bradley fight because they're both starved for opponents. Lomanchenko is gonna have to make a move up, a move he doesn't want to do, in order to get good fights. Showtime just bought the Lee/Saunders fight. If they got options on the winner GGG is screwed. Crawford is gonna have trouble finding opponents when he makes the move to WW soon. HBO has the best fighters but nobody to fight against. They're gonna have to pay out the ass to get a Haymon fighter.

PBC has most of the fighters but HBO have almost all the best fighters of the divisions.

HW: Fury
LHW: Kovalev
MW: Golovkin
WW: Manny or Bradley
LWW: Postol
FW: Walters or Loma
JFW: Rigo
FLY: Roman

And weight class like CW, SMW, and the lower classes have outside fighters.

[Chiboxing123]

good move....Peter Nelson was part of the machine that brought us fans a good 2015

[Cinci Champ]

hopefully they stop black listing haymon fighters so we can start seeing some good fights

[about.thousands]

The problem is after less then 6 months he had to yank the production costs for his PBC fights signifcantly and take all his big names off PBC and back to Showtime.

That's one way of looking at it but specifically recall after the announcement of PBC Stephen Espinoza saying those fighters will still be fighting on Showtime.

1/16/2015

"I hope [NBC] does 5 million viewers. I hope they do 10 million viewers because, guess what? I'm getting those guys back [on Showtime] and very, very soon," said Espinoza, noting that the boxers are not exclusive to NBC.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ters-going-nbc

There is no way he can wait this out 3-4 years. I'm not even sure by Dec 2016 PBC is still around. At this rate he will run out of money.

Do you have any figures to back that up?

While Caldwell would not discuss funding specifically, he said that Waddell & Reed invested considerably more than Haymon requested in the initial business plan.

“Al said, ‘I think I can pull this off for x,’” Caldwell said. “And I turned around and said ‘Absolutely not. It’s x-plus or we don’t do it.’ You have to be capitalized for three to five years to do this. To weather the storm. Because in some regards you were going to be the irrational player for a while.

“You’re turning the model completely upside down.”

Caldwell framed his case to the fund’s board in Wall Street terms: An undervalued call option, with the high risk but high return. They would put about 1 percent of the $40 billion fund into Haymon’s venture, prepared to lose all of it.

The way the PBC sees itself — as the irrational player willing to bleed money to prove its theory and then cash in on it

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2015/04/20/In-Depth/Main.aspx

You don't build up a $40 billion dollar hedge fund by accident. The braintrust behind this thing is remarkable. I understand you're an HBO fan but before you start making speculations and declarations you should know what the hell you're talking about.

And even if after 5 years PBC falls flat on it's face, HBO still has to go through Haymon to sign his fighters.

[about.thousands]

PBC has most of the fighters but HBO have almost all the best fighters of the divisions.

HW: Fury
LHW: Kovalev
MW: Golovkin
WW: Manny or Bradley
LWW: Postol
FW: Walters or Loma
JFW: Rigo
FLY: Roman

And weight class like CW, SMW, and the lower classes have outside fighters.

I agree they have the best fighters in the division but what good is having the best fighters in the division when the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th,.....can't fight on your network? And if they're looking to build stars off of a flyweight HBO is in more trouble than I thought.

[OnePunch]

I have to agree, which is why I think HBO needs to take a new approach and allow their guys to have some one-off fights on the PBC. Kinda like a crusade.

So Haymon is correct in not wanting to allow his PBC guys to go lose on HBO, but HBO should be willing to let their guys go lose on PBC??

uhmmmmmm, okay.....

[IMDAZED]

That's one way of looking at it but specifically recall after the announcement of PBC Stephen Espinoza saying those fighters will still be fighting on Showtime.

1/16/2015


http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ters-going-nbc



Do you have any figures to back that up?

While Caldwell would not discuss funding specifically, he said that Waddell & Reed invested considerably more than Haymon requested in the initial business plan.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2015/04/20/In-Depth/Main.aspx

You don't build up a $40 billion dollar hedge fund by accident. The braintrust behind this thing is remarkable. I understand you're an HBO fan but before you start making speculations and declarations you should know what the hell you're talking about.

And even if after 5 years PBC falls flat on it's face, HBO still has to go through Haymon to sign his fighters.

Don't pay attention that dude. He's just another HBO d*ckrider/I hope PBC fails guy who makes up his facts and pretends he's capable of reading a financial statement.

[OnePunch]

That's one way of looking at it but specifically recall after the announcement of PBC Stephen Espinoza saying those fighters will still be fighting on Showtime.

1/16/2015


http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ters-going-nbc



Do you have any figures to back that up?

While Caldwell would not discuss funding specifically, he said that Waddell & Reed invested considerably more than Haymon requested in the initial business plan.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2015/04/20/In-Depth/Main.aspx

You don't build up a $40 billion dollar hedge fund by accident. The braintrust behind this thing is remarkable. I understand you're an HBO fan but before you start making speculations and declarations you should know what the hell you're talking about.

And even if after 5 years PBC falls flat on it's face, HBO still has to go through Haymon to sign his fighters.

Right. Because Wall Street guys are never wrong. Lehman used to have $275 billion in assets under management lol