Should Same Day Weigh-Ins Return?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

There really is no hope.

You really haven't made any point at all. If you disagree, maybe you should say why. Otherwise you just seem like an idiot.

[Funky_Monk]

You really haven't made any point at all. If you disagree, maybe you should say why. Otherwise you just seem like an idiot.

Because your starting point of reducing weight classes makes me think you won't be able to understand.

It's recognised that dehydration affects brain trauma.

Do you agree with this?

[Funky_Monk]

I'm not trying to be a smart arse I'm just tired of trolls and the lack of logic on the forum generally.
That said I am patient and if you really want to discuss this I'm happy to do so

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I'm not trying to be a smart arse I'm just tired of trolls and the lack of logic on the forum generally.
That said I am patient and if you really want to discuss this I'm happy to do so

Fair enough.

Number one, I don't consider this post a troll. I consider it a topic of interest to many boxing fans. My sole intention isn't to piss people off.

Secondly, the day before weigh-in has troubled me for a while. Once again, it displays the absurdity with so many aspects of the sport. A fight is sold as going down at one weight and yet the fighters fighting well above it- not always but very often.

Third, as you agreed earlier, this practice of dehydration is bad for the fighters' long term health.

As far as the advantages of this practice, I fail to see any other than a fighter can balloon up to try and get an unfair advantage which sometimes poetically fires back in their faces.

[Funky_Monk]

Fair enough.

Number one, I don't consider this post a troll. I consider it a topic of interest to many boxing fans. My sole intention isn't to piss people off.

Secondly, the day before weigh-in has troubled me for a while. Once again, it displays the absurdity with so many aspects of the sport. A fight is sold as going down at one weight and yet the fighters fighting well above it- not always but very often.

Third, as you agreed earlier, this practice of dehydration is bad for the fighters' long term health.

As far as the advantages of this practice, I fail to see any other than a fighter can balloon up to try and get an unfair advantage which sometimes poetically fires back in their faces.

Ok, not to sound like an ass but to answer a question your firstly need to identify the question.
My problem is you didn't really define the question much like many here do.

Anyway on a less ass like front;
Boxers weigh more when they fight than advertised, I don't really see the problem here. Everyone knows they weigh I. The day before and make weight. The phrase itself shows effort and indicates it's not natural.

The benefit of a day before weigh in is that despite possible differences, In Weights come fight time the brain is protected as it is hydrated.

Dehydrating yourself is not heathy. I suspect future research will show further detrement this causes to organs and the brain.

So what to do, the only real solution to keep people at a constant weight would be to do random weight testing. Setting a limit you have to be within say 15% of the weight class. Realistic, probably not. Boxing can't even work out what to do about anti doping.

How's that?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Ok, not to sound like an ass but to answer a question your firstly need to identify the question.
My problem is you didn't really define the question much like many here do.

Anyway on a less ass like front;
Boxers weigh more when they fight than advertised, I don't really see the problem here. Everyone knows they weigh I. The day before and make weight. The phrase itself shows effort and indicates it's not natural.

The benefit of a day before weigh in is that despite possible differences, In Weights come fight time the brain is protected as it is hydrated.

Dehydrating yourself is not heathy. I suspect future research will show further detrement this causes to organs and the brain.

So what to do, the only real solution to keep people at a constant weight would be to do random weight testing. Setting a limit you have to be within say 15% of the weight class. Realistic, probably not. Boxing can't even work out what to do about anti doping.

How's that?

Much better. Haha.

I don't see how I wasn't clear on the question. It isn't highly technically specific when it comes to testing and weighing and so forth. Sorry. I'm not a real technical guy. I just can't be. I've tried all my life. A lot of details do confuse the hell out of me at times when they're thrown at me very quickly. I asked it in the simplest way I know how since to me, simple is what the majority of people get. I write stories and people like a story where they actually know what is going on and don't get bogged down by too many plot twists and details. So, getting technical isn't really my strength but I'll work on it.

As far as the weight as fight time being assumed is higher, I can see that. I just think overall, the sport doesn't seem simple or easy to keep up with given 17 divisions and 4 or well 5 or 6 titles per division. Boxing fans have trouble keeping up much less the average guy who might want to follow the sport which makes it very hard on him. I would like to see the sport get away from being so complicated and this would be a way to do that.

As far as dehydration goes, I'm sure it causes brain damage. Yes. No disagreement there at all. My point is that these guys are dehydrating themselves because they KNOW they can do so to make the weight and then rehydrate. If they had to weigh in the same day, I don't think they'd be doing so. In years past like a poster above pointed out, there was same day weigh ins and boxers weren't dropping like flies.

And lastly, yes, I am old school. I'm not anti-science. I think that most of the differences in boxing today from the old days stem from corruption- not science. At its base, it is corrupt to have weigh ins the day before so fighters can come in at different weights against each other. I'd like to see it lean more toward a cleaner, more simple sport like it once was. I'm not necessarily a purist but I'm not a defeatist either, saying it's bad and we'll just have to deal with it. If we complain enough, things can happen.

Now this went conversation went from close minded and insulting to entertaining and hopefully educational for both of us. Much more enjoyable. I'm sure you'll have a good thought out answer and I'm not being sarcastic.

[Funky_Monk]

Much better. Haha.

I don't see how I wasn't clear on the question. It isn't highly technically specific when it comes to testing and weighing and so forth. Sorry. I'm not a real technical guy. I just can't be. I've tried all my life. A lot of details do confuse the hell out of me at times when they're thrown at me very quickly. I asked it in the simplest way I know how since to me, simple is what the majority of people get. I write stories and people like a story where they actually know what is going on and don't get bogged down by too many plot twists and details. So, getting technical isn't really my strength but I'll work on it.

As far as the weight as fight time being assumed is higher, I can see that. I just think overall, the sport doesn't seem simple or easy to keep up with given 17 divisions and 4 or well 5 or 6 titles per division. Boxing fans have trouble keeping up much less the average guy who might want to follow the sport which makes it very hard on him. I would like to see the sport get away from being so complicated and this would be a way to do that.

As far as dehydration goes, I'm sure it causes brain damage. Yes. No disagreement there at all. My point is that these guys are dehydrating themselves because they KNOW they can do so to make the weight and then rehydrate. If they had to weigh in the same day, I don't think they'd be doing so. In years past like a poster above pointed out, there was same day weigh ins and boxers weren't dropping like flies.

And lastly, yes, I am old school. I'm not anti-science. I think that most of the differences in boxing today from the old days stem from corruption- not science. At its base, it is corrupt to have weigh ins the day before so fighters can come in at different weights against each other. I'd like to see it lean more toward a cleaner, more simple sport like it once was. I'm not necessarily a purist but I'm not a defeatist either, saying it's bad and we'll just have to deal with it. If we complain enough, things can happen.

Now this went conversation went from close minded and insulting to entertaining and hopefully educational for both of us. Much more enjoyable. I'm sure you'll have a good thought out answer and I'm not being sarcastic.

Hahaha ok well I write regulations for a university. So clear definitions and thinking about the impact of rule changes is maybe more my thing.

The issue as what used to happen with on the day weigh ins is people still try to reduce their weight as much as possible and didn't have enough time to rehydrate. So the day before protects people fom themselves effectively. Now outcomes have improved for boxers. Not just deaths but general brain injuries. Also the BBBOC also require regular brain scans to pass your medical. So I'd view it as one of a package of measures to improve brain trauma.

You say it's hard to keep track of, but does the casual really care what weight they are? Casuals surely only want a good competitive fight.
The weight limit is to provide a basis of a level playing field which when you think about it is a pretty poor measure. So I'd suggest it's already quite simplified.I know some also have check weights after official weigh ins.
I'd also suggest the weigh in the day before has helped build and promote the sport. It gives 24hr news another sound bite to make people aware of the fight. Some weigh ins even end up better than the fights...

So in summary I think the day before weigh in isn't the solution but maybe the best of a bad bunch.

I'm not sure how they decided the original classes I'm guessing it was whole "stone" weights!?

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Hahaha ok well I write regulations for a university. So clear definitions and thinking about the impact of rule changes is maybe more my thing.

The issue as what used to happen with on the day weigh ins is people still try to reduce their weight as much as possible and didn't have enough time to rehydrate. So the day before protects people fom themselves effectively. Now outcomes have improved for boxers. Not just deaths but general brain injuries. Also the BBBOC also require regular brain scans to pass your medical. So I'd view it as one of a package of measures to improve brain trauma.

You say it's hard to keep track of, but does the casual really care what weight they are? Casuals surely only want a good competitive fight.
The weight limit is to provide a basis of a level playing field which when you think about it is a pretty poor measure. So I'd suggest it's already quite simplified.I know some also have check weights after official weigh ins.
I'd also suggest the weigh in the day before has helped build and promote the sport. It gives 24hr news another sound bite to make people aware of the fight. Some weigh ins even end up better than the fights...

So in summary I think the day before weigh in isn't the solution but maybe the best of a bad bunch.

I'm not sure how they decided the original classes I'm guessing it was whole "stone" weights!?

Yes, I'm guessing it was stone weights too. I mean 112? 118? 126? 147? Why not nice even numbers? It would have been simpler.

Yes, I can see that it may be the best of a bad bunch. There's no easy answer that I can see. Casuals do just care about a good fight. I suppose simplifying things in the sport would make is easier for us true fans though. Haha. I rmember being able to name off most of the champions in the 1990s which was not easy, but now? Oh I couldn't even begin.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Hahaha ok well I write regulations for a university. So clear definitions and thinking about the impact of rule changes is maybe more my thing.

The issue as what used to happen with on the day weigh ins is people still try to reduce their weight as much as possible and didn't have enough time to rehydrate. So the day before protects people fom themselves effectively. Now outcomes have improved for boxers. Not just deaths but general brain injuries. Also the BBBOC also require regular brain scans to pass your medical. So I'd view it as one of a package of measures to improve brain trauma.

You say it's hard to keep track of, but does the casual really care what weight they are? Casuals surely only want a good competitive fight.
The weight limit is to provide a basis of a level playing field which when you think about it is a pretty poor measure. So I'd suggest it's already quite simplified.I know some also have check weights after official weigh ins.
I'd also suggest the weigh in the day before has helped build and promote the sport. It gives 24hr news another sound bite to make people aware of the fight. Some weigh ins even end up better than the fights...

So in summary I think the day before weigh in isn't the solution but maybe the best of a bad bunch.

I'm not sure how they decided the original classes I'm guessing it was whole "stone" weights!?

Brandon Rios made 170 tonight for a contracted 147 pound fight. This kind of crap has to stop. Bradley's a superior fighter and dominated him, but what if he hadn't been? He'd be taking shots from a guy who weighs 170 pounds which no 147 pound fighter should do.

[radioraheem]

Brandon Rios made 170 tonight for a contracted 147 pound fight. This kind of crap has to stop. Bradley's a superior fighter and dominated him, but what if he hadn't been? He'd be taking shots from a guy who weighs 170 pounds which no 147 pound fighter should do.

I agree. There needs to be some type of strict rule in place. It's tricky though with boxing because every state has different rules. Nevada can bring back same day weigh-ins, but others might not.