Isnt it time we 'derecognise' the WBA?

[techliam]

It's only a matter of time before the WBA makes an interim for their super champion and in an interim for their regular champ.

Eventually they'll make an interim for their interim champ. Pretty much everyone in the WBA's top 10 will have a belt.

theyve done that already, look at 160

[bigjavi973]

just smh

I use http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

usually you would recognize the lineal champ as THEE champ....

but then you have situations as stevenson-kovalev & cotto-ggg.

[techliam]

just smh

I use http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

usually you would recognize the lineal champ as THEE champ....

but then you have situations as stevenson-kovalev & cotto-ggg.

Well Cotto and Stevenson are the champions of their divisions

Lineal doesn't, and never has, meant the best though. In fact, most posters on here use 'lineal' on face value alone. Beating the lineal champion (and becoming one) may not be as great a feat as the face value would suggest. Look at Baldomir and Sonny Boy Jaro for perfect examples.

The lineal system is flawed in that it offers two methods of acquiring the championship - no.1 vs no.2 is barely debatable and forming a vacant championship that way is respectable. However acquiring a championship from a champion isn't nearly as respectable if and when the champion isn't the no.1 fighter in the division anymore.

In terms of legacy, I think we should look far more into who the best fighter of the division is, more so than the titles they hold (when theres some sort of consensus). For example, Mayweather beating Cotto again for the lineal championship means a lot less than Mayweather beating Golovkin to become the best middleweight in the world. I guess this is a topic for another thread though, lol

[bigjavi973]

Well Cotto and Stevenson are the champions of their divisions

Lineal doesn't, and never has, meant the best though. In fact, most posters on here use 'lineal' on face value alone. Beating the lineal champion (and becoming one) may not be as great a feat as the face value would suggest. Look at Baldomir and Sonny Boy Jaro for perfect examples.

The lineal system is flawed in that it offers two methods of acquiring the championship - no.1 vs no.2 is barely debatable and forming a vacant championship that way is respectable. However acquiring a championship from a champion isn't nearly as respectable if and when the champion isn't the no.1 fighter in the division anymore.

In terms of legacy, I think we should look far more into who the best fighter of the division is, more so than the titles they hold (when theres some sort of consensus). For example, Mayweather beating Cotto again for the lineal championship means a lot less than Mayweather beating Golovkin to become the best middleweight in the world. I guess this is a topic for another thread though, lol

[Luiz]

Here's a stat. Including interim and regular, the WBA have sanctioned 78 World title fights for 2015 so far. WBC/IBF/WBO = 37/33/32


#DerecognizeWBA

[techliam]

So the WBA have elevated Broner to Super Champion for beating rank 5 Allakhverdiev

Lets look at the bs rule that enables this:

'In exceptional circumstances, the Championships Committee and the President may designate a Champion (other than an Interim Champion) as a Super Champion. The President and Committee may establish criteria for a Super Championship.'

AKA the rules are only for show, the President can do what he likes, and the 'championships committee' will follow like sheep.

Now obviously, the 'exceptional' circumstances are that Broner won a belt against Allakhverdiev, in this generations fight of the decade. Therefore its only right to cram anotber world champion in the mix, given the magnitude of the Broner-Allakhverdiev megafight.

Its time to derecognise the WBA.

[ИATAS]

The Jones Jr-Enzo fight will be for the vacant WBA Super championship. This is despite the fact Enzo isnt even rated at all at cruiserweight, and Jones isnt even in the WBA top 15. In fact, theres already a WBA champion at the weight, in Lebedev. This effectively means that Lebedev is no longer a fully recognised champion (being demoted to regular). This also sets a new precedent - the WBA super championship can be vacant, and can be contested by ANYONE. No ratings required.

TBRB put it best - 'helplessly corrupt'. Can we just stop recognising their titles?

Holy **** I had no idea this was for the Super championship! What an absolute joke

[The Big Dunn]

So the WBA have elevated Broner to Super Champion for beating rank 5 Allakhverdiev

Lets look at the bs rule that enables this:

'In exceptional circumstances, the Championships Committee and the President may designate a Champion (other than an Interim Champion) as a Super Champion. The President and Committee may establish criteria for a Super Championship.'

AKA the rules are only for show, the President can do what he likes, and the 'championships committee' will follow like sheep.

Now obviously, the 'exceptional' circumstances are that Broner won a belt against Allakhverdiev, in this generations fight of the decade. Therefore its only right to cram anotber world champion in the mix, given the magnitude of the Broner-Allakhverdiev megafight.

Its time to derecognise the WBA.

you have a right to be outraged over the broner decision, but this isn't the first time the WBA has elevated or promoted a fighter to super champion.

WBC and WBO have made some disgraceful decisions as well. They all need to go.

[techliam]

you have a right to be outraged over the broner decision, but this isn't the first time the WBA has elevated or promoted a fighter to super champion.

WBC and WBO have made some disgraceful decisions as well. They all need to go.

I can't recall a situation like this one for quite some time. The WBA pushed Khabib's ranking up without fighting. They then promoted Broner out of
the blue to enable them to crown another world champion, and also enabling Broner to not worry about mandatories for 18 months. Had Broner a string of WBA defences, or was a unified champion, id understand. Im not trying to single out Broner, he beat up a relatively decent opponent and I give him his dues. The situation surrounding his title however is disgraceful.

The WBC are equally as corrupt. How on earth can you have both an active world champion and an active interim champion? That makes no sense at all. The WBO have long been compromised by promoters, most notably Frank Warren here in the UK and more recently by Top Rank.

However, I feel the WBC/IBF/WBO do not water down nearly as much what it means to be 'world champion'. They all usually crown 1 champ at a time, and the WBC have recently tried to force unification fights, so credit where its due. Having these three orgs only would be a massive step in the right direction. Ultimately they need to change, however.

The WBA on the other hand SEVERELY dilute world championship honours. They dont care anymore, and its a slap in the face of the sport.

[ИATAS]

However, I feel the WBC/IBF/WBO do not water down nearly as much what it means to be 'world champion'. They all usually crown 1 champ at a time, and the WBC have recently tried to force unification fights, so credit where its due.

Fully agree. That tweet on the last page perfectly explains this:

Here's a stat. Including interim and regular, the WBA have sanctioned 78 World title fights for 2015 so far. WBC/IBF/WBO = 37/33/32

2.5x the amount of title fights than the IBF and WBO and 2x the amount of the WBC. It's unreal.