New Names Up For HOF Vote

[IronDanHamza]

Show me a thread where DeJesus is counted as one of Duran's HOF-victims.

Well obviously I don't have a thread at hand but I can say I've never seen DeJesus not be labelled a HOF win for Duran.

[Pigeons]

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That's interesting, I didn't know that. They should induct another class soon, otherwise they appear to be defunct.

[IronDanHamza]

That's interesting, I didn't know that. They should induct another class soon, otherwise they appear to be defunct.

It doesn't matter if they do or don't, it doesn't change the fact that the inductees are HOF'ers.

That isn't forgotten or deleted from history if it closes down.

WBHOF inductees were always considered HOF'ers. Always.

If the IBHOF shuts down what happens? Are all the inductees deleted?

[Pigeons]

It doesn't matter if they do or don't, it doesn't change the fact that the inductees are HOF'ers.

That isn't forgotten or deleted from history if it closes down.

WBHOF inductees were always considered HOF'ers. Always.

If the IBHOF shuts down what happens? Are all the inductees deleted?

You're right man, the WBHOF is an internationally recognized HOF, but I think a Hall of Fame needs to be judged on its longevity. At one point the Ring HOF was boxing's HOF. It became defunct. Now those guys will always be Ring HOFers, but HOFers in general? That honor is associated with the IBHOF right now.

[IronDanHamza]

You're right man, the WBHOF is an internationally recognized HOF, but I think a Hall of Fame needs to be judged on its longevity. At one point the Ring HOF was boxing's HOF. It became defunct. Now those guys will always be Ring HOFers, but HOFers in general? That honor is associated with the IBHOF right now.

It wasn't as legitimate as the WBHOF or the IBHOF.

They were the first (and only) real international legit HOF's.

[Bundana]

You're right man, the WBHOF is an internationally recognized HOF, but I think a Hall of Fame needs to be judged on its longevity. At one point the Ring HOF was boxing's HOF. It became defunct. Now those guys will always be Ring HOFers, but HOFers in general? That honor is associated with the IBHOF right now.

Exactly... that's the point I've been trying to make! Whenever we try to figure out how many HOFers a boxer has met/defeated during his career, we don't count WBHOFers - only IBHOFers.

[crold1]

It wasn't as legitimate as the WBHOF or the IBHOF.

They were the first (and only) real international legit HOF's.

Why wasn't it as legitimate? It had the same sort of voting pool the others have/had, was in place longer than either (so far though the IBHOF appears to have staying power); the IBHOF mimics its categories for the most part. And as the sport's international publication of record for decades, it had cache. I've rarely seen in the last 10-15 years the WBHOF regarded the same as the IBHOF, despite it being older, in large part because it wasn't brick and mortar for years.

Without an ongoing history, it's the same as Ring's old Hall...a defunct version of a HOF. When most say HOFer, they are referring to the IBHOF. It's been that way for a long time. Rarely seen it argued otherwise. And while you use DeJesus as an example, I can tell you it's a point I hear all the time, but with caveat: why isn't he IN the HOF? How many times do we hear that Ali beat HOFers George Chuvalo and Jerry Quarry? Almost never unless it's someone who knows (and few do) that they were in the World Hall.

[IronDanHamza]

Exactly... that's the point I've been trying to make! Whenever we try to figure out how many HOFers a boxer has met/defeated during his career, we don't count WBHOFers - only IBHOFers.

The point you're trying to make is false.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

[IronDanHamza]

Why wasn't it as legitimate? It had the same sort of voting pool the others have/had, was in place longer than either (so far though the IBHOF appears to have staying power); the IBHOF mimics its categories for the most part. And as the sport's international publication of record for decades, it had cache. I've rarely seen in the last 10-15 years the WBHOF regarded the same as the IBHOF, despite it being older, in large part because it wasn't brick and mortar for years.

Without an ongoing history, it's the same as Ring's old Hall...a defunct version of a HOF. When most say HOFer, they are referring to the IBHOF. It's been that way for a long time. Rarely seen it argued otherwise. And while you use DeJesus as an example, I can tell you it's a point I hear all the time, but with caveat: why isn't he IN the HOF? How many times do we hear that Ali beat HOFers George Chuvalo and Jerry Quarry? Almost never unless it's someone who knows (and few do) that they were in the World Hall.

Because it just wasn't.

The two that were always considered legitimate were the IBHOF and the WBHOF.

If you're saying in the last 15 years you've not seen the WBHOF regarded then I don't know where you were for 10 of those years.

[Bundana]

Because it just wasn't.

The two that were always considered legitimate were the IBHOF and the WBHOF.

If you're saying in the last 15 years you've not seen the WBHOF regarded then I don't know where you were for 10 of those years.

What do you mean by "regarded"? A WBHOFer is a WBHOFer! That will always be so, whether or not that organization still inducts new members, or has gone out of business. So DeJesus is, and will always be, a WBHOFer. No doubt about that!

But what I'm saying is simply this: Whenever a question comes up, about how many HOFers this or that fighter has met - then we (fairly or unfairly) ONLY count IBHOFers. Do you not agree with this - or do you think that's a false statement?