New Names Up For HOF Vote

[New England]

Too many hall of famers imo. Yearly inductees make it so that there are a pack of fillers that were not really great.

it's not really a matter of opinion that they would lose money and have to close the thing, kelvie.


yoyu could have a hall of fame like the one you suggested on paper. you just couldn't afford to keep a museum open, the wya they do in canastota.

[crold1]

Because it just wasn't.

The two that were always considered legitimate were the IBHOF and the WBHOF.

If you're saying in the last 15 years you've not seen the WBHOF regarded then I don't know where you were for 10 of those years.

LOL...yeah, the classes Ring announced for years weren't carried in major papers or anything. It was the only HOF of note for almost 30 years. But not the same...because you say so. Okay. They were remarkably similar. And both haven't had a class in years.

I disagree.

As to the World Hall, never said it wasn't regarded; said it wasn't regarded the same. Once the IBHOF opened an actual location, it created something that hadn't been there before. An actual place to go. It's like VHS vs. Beta. Beta came first...VHS won. The World Hall hasn't endured. No website. No new classes in now six years. Going forward, what others are saying is correct...a HOF. Not THE.

What do you mean by "regarded"? A WBHOFer is a WBHOFer! That will always be so, whether or not that organization still inducts new members, or has gone out of business. So DeJesus is, and will always be, a WBHOFer. No doubt about that!

But what I'm saying is simply this: Whenever a question comes up, about how many HOFers this or that fighter has met - then we (fairly or unfairly) ONLY count IBHOFers. Do you not agree with this - or do you think that's a false statement?

It's just the case. Look around...how many Camacho pieces have ever referenced his win over 'HOFer Greg Haugen.' There might be some. You won't find a ton.

[IronDanHamza]

What do you mean by "regarded"? A WBHOFer is a WBHOFer! That will always be so, whether or not that organization still inducts new members, or has gone out of business. So DeJesus is, and will always be, a WBHOFer. No doubt about that!

But what I'm saying is simply this: Whenever a question comes up, about how many HOFers this or that fighter has met - then we (fairly or unfairly) ONLY count IBHOFers. Do you not agree with this - or do you think that's a false statement?

No, DeJesus is a HOF'er not a "WBHOFer".

And no I don't agree with your statment at all and your statment is false.

[Bundana]

No, DeJesus is a HOF'er not a "WBHOFer".

And no I don't agree with your statment at all and your statment is false.

So you don't agree, that every time there is a thread where we count HOFers, then we only count members of the IBHOF? That is simply a false statement on my part?

That's funny, because we have had quite a few threads about HOFers on this site... and I don't recall a single one, where posters have included WBHOFers in the count!

Take for example a look at the "What Fighter Has Defeated The Most Hall Of Famer's?" thread, which we had over in the History Forum some time ago:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497593

In this thread someone argues (in post #8) that Pep must have beaten a lot of HOFers in his 229 fights. To this IronDanHamza replies (post #9):

Quite sure he didn't beat that many

Sandy Saddler
Chalkey Wright
Manuel Ortiz

I believe are the only HOF'ers he beat (he beat Wright multiple times)

Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm going off memory but I'm quite sure that's it.

In addition to the 3 mentioned, WBHOF lists 5 more HOFers beaten by Pep:
Carlos Chávez
Harold Dade
Jackie Graves
Jackie Wilson
Phil Terranova

... so why did you claim Pep only beat 3 HOFers, when in fact he beat 8, if you feel WBHOFers should be given equal recognition and be included in the count?

[IronDanHamza]

So you don't agree, that every time there is a thread where we count HOFers, then we only count members of the IBHOF? That is simply a false statement on my part?

That's funny, because we have had quite a few threads about HOFers on this site... and I don't recall a single one, where posters have included WBHOFers in the count!

Take for example a look at the "What Fighter Has Defeated The Most Hall Of Famer's?" thread, which we had over in the History Forum some time ago:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497593

In this thread someone argues (in post #8) that Pep must have beaten a lot of HOFers in his 229 fights. To this IronDanHamza replies (post #9):

Quite sure he didn't beat that many

Sandy Saddler
Chalkey Wright
Manuel Ortiz

I believe are the only HOF'ers he beat (he beat Wright multiple times)

Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm going off memory but I'm quite sure that's it.

In addition to the 3 mentioned, WBHOF lists 5 more HOFers beaten by Pep:
Carlos Chávez
Harold Dade
Jackie Graves
Jackie Wilson
Phil Terranova

... so why did you claim Pep only beat 3 HOFers, when in fact he beat 8, if you feel WBHOFers should be given equal recognition and be included in the count?

Well if you read my post again it clearly states that I'm going off memory.

So there is your answer.

And how many times do I need to repeat that yes your statment is false?

WBHOF'ers are HOF'ers and were considered as such.