In terms of actual wins, who has the better resume - DLH or Floyd?

[Johnwoo8686]

Funny when Oscar fought Pernell that was for the best fight p4p he as 33 when he fought Oscar not in his prime but not to far from it ..

And the version of Chavez that Oscar fought would have went through all of Maywwethers opponents ! He was what 34 when he fought Oscar.. Yet Floyd for some reason never fought anyone as close to being as good as these two !

If you're going to use the pound for pound argument. Mosley was p4p when Floyd fought him, Pacquiao was p4p, Marquez was p4p, Canelo, was just breaking into the p4p top ten. We can go all day.

[SplitSecond]

If you're going to use the pound for pound argument. Mosley was p4p when Floyd fought him, Pacquiao was p4p, Marquez was p4p, Canelo, was just breaking into the p4p top ten. We can go all day.

Are you comparing past it Mosley(Prime Mosley wouldn't have beaten that Whitaker) and Fatquez to Whitaker?

[jas]

floyd

he beat oscar 8-4 imo

oscar did get robbed vs tito though, disputed win vs whitaker

ummmmmmmmmmmmm......

yea definitely floyd

im not even counting the pac win for floyd because he used peds and it was against a 1 armed fighter

[-PBP-]

Are you comparing past it Mosley(Prime Mosley wouldn't have beaten that Whitaker) and Fatquez to Whitaker?

Did you see that version of Whitaker fight Diobelys Hurtado and Wilfredo Rivera? He was down on the cards and needed a miracle KO to beat Hurtado and the Wilfredo Rivera fight could have gone either way.

[HEND]

Floyd's win over Pac and Oscar himself is better than anything Oscar did.

[-Hyperion-]

If you're going to use the pound for pound argument. Mosley was p4p when Floyd fought him, Pacquiao was p4p, Marquez was p4p, Canelo, was just breaking into the p4p top ten. We can go all day.

I'll just leave this heres since you probaby didnt read it, It's OK, you probably discovered boxing with Mayweather. Just be open to when the fights happened not just the names.

There's a difference between a past prime undefeated fighter(yes, whitaker had never lost but for one robbery and was rated in the top p4p top 3 for 8 consecutive years when Oscar beat him) and a past prime fighter who had officially lost 5 of his last 7 big fights and a year layoff(Shane, and really lost 6 because he got a gift against Oscar while juiced, yes he was rated p4p but taht was only because of name, he had one fight in 09 and he went from 5 years unrated and thought shot after Mayorga, to rated.....talk about overhype.), Oscar embarrassed himself at middleweight, retired, came back and beat Mayorga before fighting Floyd(not rated p4p in 3-4 years, even longer than Chavez)......He had not won at an elite level in 4 years by the time he fought Floyd. Chavez was actually an active fighter and a title holder with only two losses(one official) and never stopped, when Oscar made him quit.

As far as the controversial fights, I'd rather go with the majority, most think Oscar-beat Whitaker-Quartey-Mosley II-Trinidad. Lost to Sturm.

I'm not even discounting Floyd for the fact that the majority also thinks he lost to Castillo.

There, I gave a reson of why Mosley was completely undeserving of being ranked p4p. He was ranked p4p based on 1 win....he had been off the list for 5 years before that, had looked like **** in his fight before and took more than a year off after. Him, Guerrero and Canelo were only rated because they were GBP fighters. Adrien Broner was ranked p4p for fuc/ks sake.

That leaves four p4p fighters who earned it that Mayweather beat:

Marquez moving up two divisions and with poor physical preparation for the move. It's a good name but other than matching up well with a blown up ww like Pacquiao, JMM is just not a ww.

Diego Corrales, looked like a beast, was limited and going through a bad moment in his personal life, but Floyd was so good at 130, that I don't think it mattered.

Hatton, beat Tszyu and followed it up with some uneven performances, he did look great beating up Paulie and Castillo like no one before him, but also looked bad versus Collazo at ww. Good win, but Hatton really doesn;t have a lot of depth to his resume.

Pacquiao, in 2015 after the KO against JMM. Good win, as Pac is very good, but after a KO like that, he had lost a lot of his luster and a lot of confidence.


Like I said before, Oscar beat a post prime Whitaker when he had been p4p top 3 for 7 years straight suffering no real defeats.

Beat Undefeated Tito when they were both p4p along with Jones and Holyfield.

Fought Mosley close when Mosley was dominating everybody and p4p. Later, Mosley lost to Forrest but lost close on the second and it was still to be determined if Forrest was just a bad style match up, so he was still ranked p4p in the rematch. Mosley was still pretty much in his athletic prime and on steroids.

Ike Quartey when he was basically the boogey man of the welterweight division. The guy took a bunch of years off and still came back to school a serviceable Forrest(got robbed).He was a beast in his prime.


Those four guys were more dangerous than anyone Floyd fought...Yes Pac is greater than all but Whitaker, but its not just about names. Whitaker hadn't been beaten, and Pac had been KTFO.

[W1LL]

Easily Floyd.

[creekrat77]

Oscar d*mn sure gets more respect. Took legitimate risks with prime fighters. Floyd took low risk high reward fights, no other way you can really spin it. Floyd will tell you himself timing is everything. It defines his resume just as everybody elses

[SplitSecond]

Did you see that version of Whitaker fight Diobelys Hurtado and Wilfredo Rivera? He was down on the cards and needed a miracle KO to beat Hurtado and the Wilfredo Rivera fight could have gone either way.

Only seen the Hurtado fight, a very good amatuer styled undefeated fighter that gave alot of people trouble.

You realise Marquez jumped 2 weightclasses to fight Floyd, training for a catchweight(by drinking urine) but being bamboozled out of it. Think Mayweather-Maidana I, Floyd bribed him just the same. Mosley is a lesser fighter to Whitaker and was at a lesser point than Whitaker before Hoya.

[JTfloyd]

This is the thing with Oscar. People will give him credit for when he got robbed vs. Tito and Mosley (which I agree with btw) but will then give him credit for Whitaker, Quartey and Sturm which could have EASILY gone the other way.

That's why when judging resume you have to look at 1) who they beat 2) how they beat them 3) when they beat them.

When you factor in all 3 criteria this isn't even a discussion. If you just want to BoxRec and credit names then it appears a lot closer than it should.

Its funny how DLH claims Mayweather's fights are boring, yet he did more running vs Tito than Floyd ever has. And this was a prime DLH, not late 30s ie the ages that Mayweather has been accused of being a "runner". The double standards are evident.

Anyway, DLH fans love to do exactly what you said. Claim robbery vs Tito and Mosley II, yet gloss over the fact that a faded Whitaker (who looked horrible his previous fight) clowned him, Quartey (coming off something like a year and a half layoff) won more rounds even with the 10-8 12th against him, and the Sturm fight was a blatant robbery to set up the Hopkins megafight.

Bottom line, DLH fought more names than Floyd...... when it was advantageous to do so (Tito and Mosley aside). His fans/Mayweather haters are a special kind of delusional, so you routinely get nonsense like, "Sweet Pea was P4P when DLH fought him", "The version of Chavez that Oscar fought would have went through all of Maywwethers opponents!" and "DLH was beating Hopkins before he got knocked out". The first 2 statements belie the fact that they were badly faded/near shot, and the third is a straight up fabrication, yet DLH fans are on par with Pacquiao's when it comes to rewriting history.