Comments Thread For: Farhood: Hearns, Hagler and Leonard Beat Mayweather

[Jsmooth9876]

the way i see it, everyone says "oh if floyd fought hearns in his prime bla bla bla...", "oh if floyd fought duran in his prime yada yada yada...", "oh if floyd fought chavez in his prime..." well guess what Floyd has always been in his prime, there is no "no mas" performances in his career, there are no SRL performances like he had with Duran in the first fight or Hearns in the second fight, there are no Hearns performances like Tommy had in his first fight against Sugar where he just let it go, and Floyd never got knocked out of the ring like Ray Robinson "in his prime", Floyd has always been in his prime, has never been cut, never been down......bottom line Floyd Mayweather has always been in his prime and has never had a bad night

Yeah... Cause he's never fought a Hearns,Duran,Leonard,Hagler....

[aboutfkntime]

Hard to rank fighters from totally different eras like Mayweather and Robinson or even Leonard and Robinson, the game has changed a lot since and such comparisons are unfair especially to fighters of today, who can't fight as often as Robinson even if they wanted to.

It's a matter of personal preference really, I can argue that Mayweather had a more impressive career than Robinson cuz he had 25 championship fights in only 48 fights, won his first title only in his 18th pro fight and now ranked #1 P4P 17 years later at the age of 38, but another one could argue well back in Robinson's days there was only 1 belt and 1 champion, so Robinson having only 21 title fights in 200 total fights is understandable even though he was 14-7 in these, one could argue that Robinson had way too many tune up fights between title fights, which helped him have a long record of 200 fights, it's like sparring sessions with fighters that are not more than sparring partners counted as official pro fights, but one could argue that being consistent and beating all these fighters no matter how bad they were is still impressive. There will never be a clean cut TBE ever.

We will never know how a fight between Mayweather and Hearns or Leonard would play out, nobody knows, but u can't count anyone of them out, u can't say Hearns would steam roll through him cuz he couldn't do that to Benitez, who's much slower and not defensively as sound as Mayweather, so u can't count him out, but u can't say for sure. U can compare Mayweather to Leonard or Hearns in terms of accomplishments, and Mayweather definitley accomplished more in his career and had better longevity and consistency, these people were past prime by the time they were in their late 20s early 30s, also they partially fought in the era where fighters didn't fight 100 fights, the weight classes are the same as now and there were 3 sanctioning bodies since the mid 80s, so it's a bit comparable, these people have the edge in the most impressive single wis such as leonard over Hearns or Duran over Leonard, because when Floyd was these people's age there were noe Hearns or Durans or Leonards in his era, but he made up for it by being consistent and having a long very successful career, but again it's a matter of opinions.

Great post !

One other thing, it comes down to the size of the mountain they climbed.

You make great points about Mayweather overall......
..... but does his greatest win match Leonards greatest win ?

Now ask, do his greatest 2 wins match Leonards greatest 2 wins ?

And I'm not assuming that Mayweather couldn't win those fights either, just saying that Leonard did.

[aboutfkntime]

As welterweight both Hearns and leonard would clearly beat floyd......leonard duran and hearns were all 15 round fighters who had stamina...all round ability, speed and power...in what world would you ever think that floyd could pull away from leonard like he did with de la hoya....de hoya was a shop worn 35 year old with slow foot speed and slow reflexes.....who couldn't pull the trigger anymore........a floyds best performance at welter would be no match for Leonard's best performace at welter......leonard in 1981....kos floyd in 2007 version...MAYWEATHER simply does not have enough fire power to beat leonard , hagler or hearns and if you think a slow maidana pushed him all the way....then leonard and hearns would have literally beat him severly

Stopped reading at the bold.

" clearly " and " easily " are not great adjectives to describe boxing.

Especially not when discussing 4 elite fighters ALL with great intangibles.

Also..... " firepower " is over-rated.

[delukard]

The things i read here , wow.
One well placed right hand form Hearns and Mayweather will go down.

People think Mayweather is a perfect defense not getting hit boxer, and that he is not.
He wil get hit and when that happens he will be in trouble.


What does Mayweather has that can keep Hearns away from him?
he doesn't have power, not even his most accurate punches can do enough damage to make Hearns hesitate.

I wonder what Mayweather would do when a guy that has more reach, more power and is conditioned to last 15 rounds in a war, hit him like Mosley did at one point?

[hugh grant]

Duran would have beat Floyd. Floyds not keeping Duran off with those pitter patters. Pac prime would have beat Floyd. A one arm Pac nearly did afterall.

[aboutfkntime]

The things i read here , wow.
One well placed right hand form Hearns and Mayweather will go down.

People think Mayweather is a perfect defense not getting hit boxer, and that he is not.
He wil get hit and when that happens he will be in trouble.

They have said that about half of Mayweathers opponents.

Heard all that before.

Power would not be an issue in a Mayweather fight imho, except for maybe Duran at lightweight.

What does Mayweather has that can keep Hearns away from him?
he doesn't have power, not even his most accurate punches can do enough damage to make Hearns hesitate.

a laser-precision jab
the best jab to the stomach I have ever seen
the best right-hand lead in the game
outstanding footwork
outstanding ring generalship
outstanding defence

I may have forgotten something ^^

I would likely pick Hearns in that fight, but would not put a dollar on it.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Well 15 round fights are the true length of championship fights....hearns was broken and had to be carried back to his dressing room after the fight....all the big rounds were won by leonard and if had been a 12 round fight then I'm sure leonard would have stepped up the attack earlier......Leonard and hearns are true legends of the welters.......Emmanuel steward was actually going to stop the fight after the 7th round because hearns was seriously hurt....he showed heart by carrying on.......and the judges were off as well...because the 6th and 7th could have been 10-8 rounds......both fighters were at there peak and September 16th 1981 will always ranks as the greatest boxing match I have Ver seen because it had skill...heart..intelligence and drama to the highest order....sugar ray leonard was the superior fighter and he proved it

You wrote a post telling another person to do research before they post again then you type something like that ^? There have been fights that went over 40 rounds, and before 15 rounds there was 21 rounds. How do you come up with a diffintitve statement that 15 rounds is the true length of a championship fight?

[New England]

in other news; water is wet, and the sky is blue!

[The plunger man]

Stopped reading at the bold.

" clearly " and " easily " are not great adjectives to describe boxing.

Especially not when discussing 4 elite fighters ALL with great intangibles.

Also..... " firepower " is over-rated.

What great intangibles does floyd have......being able to outbox a 5ft 6 PACQUAIO who rose up from flyweight....or natural all time great welterweight in leonard or hearns...I say again leonard or hearns would beat mayweather easily......both guys had speed and movement that could match floyd..,plus longer reaches....plus natural welterweights and not lightweights moving up.......more power....all round great fighters......de la Hoya was 35....maidana got beat and dropped by khan......guerrero went up 3 weights to face floyd......canelo was unproven and inexperienced...and cotto has been through the wars......all of them are nowhere near the caliber of a hearns or leonard at there prime as a welterweight

[The plunger man]

You wrote a post telling another person to do research before they post again then you type something like that ^? There have been fights that went over 40 rounds, and before 15 rounds there was 21 rounds. How do you come up with a diffintitve statement that 15 rounds is the true length of a championship fight?

because it was recognised as the championship rounds and 15 rounds was the distance created by the governing bodies...if you don't know that then you need another sport to watch...while your at it......let's make it bare knuckle fighting as well lol.......Louis,Marciano,Robinson,sale,cerdan,List on,Ali,leonard,monson all boxed the 15 rounds for the championship....WBC,WBA AND IBF were all 15 rounders and guess what those belts still exist now