Dariusz Michalczewski's single division run more impressive than Floyd or Roy's.

[robertzimmerman]

It***8217;s a little too convenient to say it was always just unlucky timing, especially from a fighter who picked so many of his own spots. Add just a few more of these names to his record in place of Tony Thornton***8217;s and Ricky Frazier***8217;s and how much quieter do arguments against Jones***8217;s greatness become?

Again, there's more than enough evidence out there that proves that Roy and HBO tried to make him the best fights possible.

It's a complete myth that Roy hand picked guys for an easy ride. If that was true, he'd never have fought Toney, Griffin, Hill, Johnson, Ruiz, Tarver and Calzaghe etc.

Most of the criticism came after he'd unified at LHW. Because fights against the likes of DM and Hopkins couldn't be made, but he had mandatory obligations from the three main organisations, where he had to fight the likes of Frazier, Kelly and Woods etc.

As a fan, I was just as frustrated as everyone else. But again, Roy didn't take the easy road.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I remember the Sosa fight, when he pushed the ref. Roy gets criticised for ducking fights, but both HBO and Frankie Liles's former manager, Jack O'Halloran, have confirmed that Liles turned down a career high payday to fight Roy in 1996. Jack O'Halloran was furious with Liles, because he was convinced that he'd have beaten Roy.

The Benn fight was also hard to make, because during negotiations in 1995, Don King apparently wanted future options on Roy.

I don't think Roy would ever have fought outside the U.S. when he was prime. He'd been scarred by the Olympics, and he had a huge ego.

Regarding Oscar, I was a big fan, and he deserves an awful lot of respect.

Well that is a shame. Liles had good potential and would have made an interesting fight for Jones for sure. Of course, if he did not take the fight, that's his problem. Jones can't make a guy a fight him of course.

Yeah, Oscar fought them all. All of course, he lost his "0" a long time ago, but at least he was fighting the best and doing so when they were dangerous. Chavez was past it, but Trinidad, Mosley, Vargas, Mayweather and Pac were all dangerous as could be when he met them.

[robertzimmerman]

Well that is a shame. Liles had good potential and would have made an interesting fight for Jones for sure. Of course, if he did not take the fight, that's his problem. Jones can't make a guy a fight him of course.

Yeah, Oscar fought them all. All of course, he lost his "0" a long time ago, but at least he was fighting the best and doing so when they were dangerous. Chavez was past it, but Trinidad, Mosley, Vargas, Mayweather and Pac were all dangerous as could be when he met them.

I think Liles would probably have been Roy's toughest fight had they met.

I loved Oscar when I was young. I was devastated when he lost to Shane. And the Trinidad fight was bizarre.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I think Liles would probably have been Roy's toughest fight had they met.

I loved Oscar when I was young. I was devastated when he lost to Shane. And the Trinidad fight was bizarre.

Oh yeah. Liles might have taken him which would have been crazy. Liles' career certainly would have been elevated higher than it ever was.

The Trinidad fight was kind of like the fight of the century this year- very disappointing. However, it was still a better fight. I'll never know why Oscar chose to run the last three rounds. I was glad Tito got the decision since I was a Tito fan and Oscar ran the last three rounds. He really gave it away when otherwise he had him beat. I'll never understand it. I'm bias anyway toward the more aggressive fighters and while Oscar was at times, Trinidad always was. But both are legends and have secure legacies. They fought the best of their era.

[robertzimmerman]

Oh yeah. Liles might have taken him which would have been crazy. Liles' career certainly would have been elevated higher than it ever was.

The Trinidad fight was kind of like the fight of the century this year- very disappointing. However, it was still a better fight. I'll never know why Oscar chose to run the last three rounds. I was glad Tito got the decision since I was a Tito fan and Oscar ran the last three rounds. He really gave it away when otherwise he had him beat. I'll never understand it. I'm bias anyway toward the more aggressive fighters and while Oscar was at times, Trinidad always was. But both are legends and have secure legacies. They fought the best of their era.

Yeah, stylistically, Liles would have been a very hard fight. Roy found it difficult at LHW against Harding, and then obviously against Tarver.

Regarding Oscar, I can only think that he thought that he was so far ahead, he wanted to play it safe and not get caught. I haven't seen the fight for an awful long time. But I thought that he clearly won even though he gave up those last few rounds. I might go and watch it again soon.

[LacedUp]

Why? Roy 'would have' beaten so many champions that it's uncountable. A huge part of Roy's resume is all the 'would haves'.

Roy did beat great fighters.

Dariusz did not.

[JasonBoxing]

Roy did beat great fighters.

Dariusz did not.

Name one 'great' fighter Roy beat at 175 that Dariuz did not.
We are talking about 175, not 168 or 160.
Do it. I'm waiting for that one 'great' fighter at 175 that Roy beat who Dariuz did not.

[robertzimmerman]

Name one 'great' fighter Roy beat at 175 that Dariuz did not.
We are talking about 175, not 168 or 160.
Do it. I'm waiting for that one 'great' fighter at 175 that Roy beat who Dariuz did not.

LacedUp wasn't specifically talking about guys at 175 was he?

I don't know if I'd call Tarver a great fighter, but he was a very good fighter, and I think he'd have given Dariusz lots of issues.

By the way, you've ignored almost all of my responses.

Why's that, when we could have a good debate?

[JasonBoxing]

Big fights are hard to make.

Liles simply wasn't interested in 1996.

Evander Holyfield was approached in 1998, but he turned down any possibility of fighting Roy, because at the time, he felt he was in a no win situation.

In 2001, Roy wouldn't go to Germany to fight Dariusz, and Dariusz wouldn't go to the U.S.

In 2002, Hopkins priced himself out of the rematch.

In 2003, a fight with Evander nearly came off, but King pissed him off, which is why he fought Toney instead.

You can have links for everything I've wrote above.

The difference between Roy and Dariusz, is that after negotiations between them broke down, Roy pursued big fights, and actually had them against Ruiz and Tarver. Whereas Dariusz was content to fight guys who Roy had already dominated and broke down.

But that doesn't change the fact Dariuz as more dominant than Roy at 175.

[robertzimmerman]

But that doesn't change the fact Dariuz as more dominant than Roy at 175.

More dominant?

In what way?

Dariusz had more LHW fights, and he had a longer title reign. However, the WBO was a lightly regarded title, and despite having less fights at the weight, Roy beat the better competition:

Montell Griffin
Virgil Hill
Reggie Johnson
Richard Hall
Eric Harding
Julio Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver

What were Dariusz's best wins?

Probably the following:

Leeonzer Barber
Graciano Rochigianni
Virgil Hill
Montell Griffin
Richard Hall

Roy's resume was better.

Also, Roy had the better wins against common opponents, that included giving a hiding to Hall, who Dariusz struggled with.

So how was Dariusz's run better than Roy's??