Dariusz Michalczewski's single division run more impressive than Floyd or Roy's.

[robertzimmerman]

But his run was more impressive Richard. Look up his opponents for first. That is a serious list of big punching elite level fighters within the SAME DIVISION. Floyd and Roy jumped too much and was never the king pin in any division they fought in.

I don't post here very often, so I don't know if you're a troll. But from what you've typed above, I'm going to have to assume you are.

Elite level fighters?

Ha! They were WBO guys.

[robertzimmerman]

How is that not true? I never said Dariuz is greater than Floyd or Roy, I said his SINGLE DIVISION run was more impressive than either Floyd's or Roy's.
What's wrong with that?

Name a division in which Roy or Floyd beat two dominating fighters like Montell Griffin and Virgil Hill? Roy beat Hopkins and Toney but that was at 160 and 168. Floyd beat a variety of good fighters but never in the same division. Griffin and Hill are easily the equal of Cotto/Corrales.(two of Floyd's best wins). I also find it amusing that everyone keep saying Hill and Griffin were two of Roy's 'big wins' but tend to forget Dariuz destroyed both as well.

Ha! I think you need your own TV show.

Let's do a quick breakdown. It beats walking the dog in the rain.

Dariusz had some decent wins against some decent guys.

Then he disgracefully play acted, when he threw himself on the floor to get Roch disqualified after Roch had caught him with a light shot after a break. It was 'Oscar' worthy.

He then unified after beating Hill. Although Hill was faded, it was a very good win.

Then after he lost his belts (that I never agreed with) for not relinquishing the WBO belt, he legitimately beat Roch in a rematch, that was also a good win. But afterwards, he went on to fight the calibre of guys who he'd fought before Hill, that included four guys who Roy had already dominated.

Roy's highlights were:

Knocking out Montell Griffin, who was a very good fighter, in just a single round, before he fought Dariusz.

Knocking out Virgil Hill in four rounds. Although Hill. was faded and Dariusz had already beaten him, the knockout was highly impressive. Roy was the only guy who knocked out him out in a 57 fight career.

He toyed with Reggie Johnson, who although was past his best, was still a very good fighter.

He beat Eric Harding who was a big, awkward, southpaw, who had beaten Antonio Tarver.

He battered Richard Hall, who then went on to give Dariusz lots of problems, in two, very tough fights.

He easily beat Julio Gonzalez, who would go on to beat a faded version of Dariusz, who was at the end of his career.

He easily dominated Derrick Harmon. Here's something interesting to note: Just before Roy fought Harmon, Dariusz was interviewed by the U.S. media, and he was asked if he'd be watching the fight. Dariusz replied that he had absolutely no interest at all, in watching Roy fight a guy of that calibre. Which was surprising, seeing as though he would then go on to fight him himself shortly after.

Roy toyed with Clinton Woods, easily beating him in six rounds.

Roy made history by beating Antonio Tarver, after he'd rushed back from HW, burning muscle in a just a few months to make weight. He was absolutely exhausted, yet he pulled out the win. Under the circumstances, I believe it was Roy's greatest win at the weight, if not his greatest ever win, and in my honest opinion, it eclipses any of Dariusz's wins at the weight

To summarise:

Dariusz beat more guys, but Roy had the better overall wins, dominating top ranked opponents with ease for the most part, and making history in the process.

Dariusz struggled with, and lost to guys who Roy easily beat, and he seemed content to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt against whoever his manager lined up for him in Germany. And most of those guys were lowly opposition, which didn't come as a surprise, seeing as though his manager was part of the WBO organisation at the time. And it's also worth noting, that in the early 00's, the WBO became an absolute laughing stock, for moving a guy up their rankings AFTER HE'D DIED! Yes, it's true.

So basically, it was quality over quantity, in Roy's favour.

In my honest opinion, Roy's LHW resume alone, eclipses Dariusz's whole career. But it's highly amusing reading your ridiculous posts.

[robertzimmerman]

You embarrass yourself by not even knowing half of Dariuz's wins, but if you look CLOSELY? You will find that a lot of the wins Dariuz have is actually the same wins Roy has. So it can't be apples for one and oranges for the other. Either they are both elevated or they both devalue.

I don't want to disrespect any of Dariusz's opposition who'd put on a pair of gloves to make a living. But let's be honest, a lot of them were low level guys who most people had never heard of.

Apples and Oranges? Dariusz beat three guys who Roy had absolutely dominated and knocked out before he fought them. He then lost to Gonzalez. So how could the wins hold the same value?

[robertzimmerman]

Roy was undisputed lightheavyweight champion and also beat Hill and Griffin also beat numerous other #1 contenders and champions in that division. Dariusz beat Hill and then fought Roy's leftovers and no hopers in Germany for the rest of his career.

Floyd beat Pacquiao, Mosley, Marquez, Hatton, Maidana etc etc at welterweight. Don't even get me started about his lower weight career. He's rightfully the top dog at WW and has been for years.

Simply no comparison at all. And you embarrass yourself by trying to claim otherwise.

Owned.

Great post.

[richardt]

But his run was more impressive Richard. Look up his opponents for first. That is a serious list of big punching elite level fighters within the SAME DIVISION. Floyd and Roy jumped too much and was never the king pin in any division they fought in.

Dude, you are clueless as hell. Both Mayweather and Floyd had more impressive runs and anyone outside of Germany or Poland knows this.

[richardt]

Ha! I think you need your own TV show.

Let's do a quick breakdown. It beats walking the dog in the rain.

Dariusz had some decent wins against some decent guys.

Then he disgracefully play acted, when he threw himself on the floor to get Roch disqualified after Roch had caught him with a light shot after a break. It was 'Oscar' worthy.

He then unified after beating Hill. Although Hill was faded, it was a very good win.

Then after he lost his belts (that I never agreed with) for not relinquishing the WBO belt, he legitimately beat Roch in a rematch, that was also a good win. But afterwards, he went on to fight the calibre of guys who he'd fought before Hill, that included four guys who Roy had already dominated.

Roy's highlights were:

Knocking out Montell Griffin, who was a very good fighter, in just a single round, before he fought Dariusz.

Knocking out Virgil Hill in four rounds. Although Hill. was faded and Dariusz had already beaten him, the knockout was highly impressive. Roy was the only guy who knocked out him out in a 57 fight career.

He toyed with Reggie Johnson, who although was past his best, was still a very good fighter.

He beat Eric Harding who was a big, awkward, southpaw, who had beaten Antonio Tarver.

He battered Richard Hall, who then went on to give Dariusz lots of problems, in two, very tough fights.

He easily beat Julio Gonzalez, who would go on to beat a faded version of Dariusz, who was at the end of his career.

He easily dominated Derrick Harmon. Here's something interesting to note: Just before Roy fought Harmon, Dariusz was interviewed by the U.S. media, and he was asked if he'd be watching the fight. Dariusz replied that he had absolutely no interest at all, in watching Roy fight a guy of that calibre. Which was surprising, seeing as though he would then go on to fight him himself shortly after.

Roy toyed with Clinton Woods, easily beating him in six rounds.

Roy made history by beating Antonio Tarver, after he'd rushed back from HW, burning muscle in a just a few months to make weight. He was absolutely exhausted, yet he pulled out the win. Under the circumstances, I believe it was Roy's greatest win at the weight, if not his greatest ever win, and in my honest opinion, it eclipses any of Dariusz's wins at the weight

To summarise:

Dariusz beat more guys, but Roy had the better overall wins, dominating top ranked opponents with ease for the most part, and making history in the process.

Dariusz struggled with, and lost to guys who Roy easily beat, and he seemed content to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt against whoever his manager lined up for him in Germany. And most of those guys were lowly opposition, which didn't come as a surprise, seeing as though his manager was part of the WBO organisation at the time. And it's also worth noting, that in the early 00's, the WBO became an absolute laughing stock, for moving a guy up their rankings AFTER HE'D DIED! Yes, it's true.

So basically, it was quality over quantity, in Roy's favour.

In my honest opinion, Roy's LHW resume alone, eclipses Dariusz's whole career. But it's highly amusing reading your ridiculous posts.

Jason has been brutally knocked out here.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

There is definitely a lot to be said for the guys with lengthy runs. Holmes, Klitschko, Louis, Hopkins, Michalzweski, all impressive in their own rights. The division jumping is the thing to do for most guys these days since there are so many of them. But for a guy to take down one challenge and hold sway over a division, year after year, who makes those great non-champions possible, is quite an accomplishment. There aren't many great non-champions these days since there are over a hundred belts.

As for whether or not his run was more impressive, well, you make a good point. He did not retire in the middle of his run like Mayweather did. He did not skip over a division like Jones did who stayed at super middleweight for five minutes after deflating a fat Toney(was there any other kind? Love the guy but what a blob). And Jones had several token fights where he fought some bum with a novelty(like having played basketball earlier that day or fighting with a microphone) which I'm sorry. Jones fan or not, but that is not entertaining and it's a boring waste of time.

However, Michalzewski did hold the then-considered spurious WBO title. Not that the title should be looked at that way now, but it was not respected in those days. Then again, the names on his ledger are pretty close to Jones's. Was very surprised with the Tiger lost to Gonzalez and then KO'd by Tiozzo. But hey, Jones was flattened twice in a row at that weight. I'd say overall, you have a great point. The problem with division jumpers is that they usually don't have one weight class they can claim to have stayed in long enough to be held in high regard for a particular division. But hey. it's about money, not divisions.

[JasonBoxing]

There is definitely a lot to be said for the guys with lengthy runs. Holmes, Klitschko, Louis, Hopkins, Michalzweski, all impressive in their own rights. The division jumping is the thing to do for most guys these days since there are so many of them. But for a guy to take down one challenge and hold sway over a division, year after year, who makes those great non-champions possible, is quite an accomplishment. There aren't many great non-champions these days since there are over a hundred belts.

As for whether or not his run was more impressive, well, you make a good point. He did not retire in the middle of his run like Mayweather did. He did not skip over a division like Jones did who stayed at super middleweight for five minutes after deflating a fat Toney(was there any other kind? Love the guy but what a blob). And Jones had several token fights where he fought some bum with a novelty(like having played basketball earlier that day or fighting with a microphone) which I'm sorry. Jones fan or not, but that is not entertaining and it's a boring waste of time.

However, Michalzewski did hold the then-considered spurious WBO title. Not that the title should be looked at that way now, but it was not respected in those days. Then again, the names on his ledger are pretty close to Jones's. Was very surprised with the Tiger lost to Gonzalez and then KO'd by Tiozzo. But hey, Jones was flattened twice in a row at that weight. I'd say overall, you have a great point. The problem with division jumpers is that they usually don't have one weight class they can claim to have stayed in long enough to be held in high regard for a particular division. But hey. it's about money, not divisions.

Great post. I feel like a lot of the guys posting don't even know who Darius was. His run in one division was never lauded by the Americans, yet Hopkins who fought a similar level of opposition during his MW run is often lauded.

[JasonBoxing]

Owned.

Great post.

Lol. How? He just exaggerated a bunch of mid tier fighters who Darius would have beaten too. Darius would have beaten everyone Roy beat. Everyone.

[LacedUp]

Lol. How? He just exaggerated a bunch of mid tier fighters who Darius would have beaten too. Darius would have beaten everyone Roy beat. Everyone.

And this should end the thread.