Comments Thread For: Team Beterbiev's Response To Kovalev's Promoter

[BazookaGomez]

It's not the other way around and you know it. HBO announced that they wouldn't do business wth Haymon anymore publicly. Golden Boy and Top Rank are suing him. Kathy Duva is an underling of HBO who seems to be in lock step with whatever they want. Bob Arum is engineer of this whole anti-Haymon cabal in boxing. He has the others following his lead but he doesn't give a damn about them. At this point trying to claim someone signed with Haymon to avoid one fight with one fighter just sounds like some paranoid aluminum foil hat wearing conspiracy theory.

No I don't, these whole "cold wars" started with him and his fighters and now every promoter is against him. This leads me to beleive that he's the one causing all this and not EVERYBODY else lol.....

[-PBP-]

And they're fully aware that's not going to happen, there will be no purse bid. So rather than taking up the offer to fight for three titles now they'll be fighting for one against some nobody.

Bro. Look from both perspectives. Don't be biased towards one side.

As fans, we both want this fight to happen. The most fair way for it to happen is for it to go to purse bid. We cannot force promoters and networks to work together and we cannot tell fighters how much money they should be making. Purse bids solve these problems and get fights like Russell/Lomachenko signed and sealed.

Duva has no idea what she is doing and is desperate because she can not compete with the big dogs. She cannot be in control if she is not willing to make competitive offers.

[SchoolTheseCats]

... One asked above: "Is every fighter that has signed with Haymon ducking a fight with an opponent that is affiliated with en****** that refuse to deal with Haymon?"

Answer: Not "every fighter"... Just a few, though... LSG by ducking Rigo and Loma... Quillin ducking GGG... Wilder ducking Povetkin, Wlad... Stevenson ducking Hopkins, Pascal, Kovalev... Now Beterbiev...

... in short: mostly ducking "ex-Soviet" fighters...

Dumbest post in history of nsb and stop slurping these ex soviet fighters how can wilder be ducking wlad when wlad doing mando povetkin already has a fight schedule for nov and wilder and povetkin doesn't start until oct 24th for fight to be made for beginning of next year Hopkins pulled out the Stevenson fight to fight kova that's not a duck beterbiev wants to take ibf eliminator first get in a better position he didn't know ibf was going order that when he was taking up offer for kova fight in November

[bigdunny1]

... Few days ago, Yvon Michel just publicly stated that this is a huge opportunity for Beterbiev (who isn't the mando) and that they will take an offer for a three belts shot in Moscow...
... Was Michel ****** back then?...
... No he wasn't -- he only proved to be what everybody knows he is -- a puppet promoter...

It's so obvious and don't take a rocket scientist to see what is going on. They been screaming about wanting this fight now. They screamed HBO wasn't a problem. They screamed if the offer was fair they would take it. They aren't even denying that the money is good. Now all a sudden they pull a complete 180 and want to have another fight and enter a eliminator instead of a direct title shot? Unless the promoter is just a crack head with mood swings this is clear that Haymon who is the real man running the show squashed this. It's a smoke screen to force a purse bid and get a vacant belt. Trying to come up with all these elaborate explanations just makes people look ******. This is all about politics to steal a belt and avoid his fighters ever having to fight on HBO. Not about money because once it goes to purse bid the fight won't happen nobody will get paid.

[bigdunny1]

You're so one sided in your arguments it's disgusting. HBO's exclusive network deals prevent fights from being made through a competitive bidding process that will earn the fighters the most money they can get.

I have no clue what Quillin has to do with this when every poster on here calls him a fuck boy lame-o that gets no respect.

Prevents fights from being made? You sound dumb look at all the fights on HBO being made with rival promoters putting their top fighters against each other. Literally every other promoter EXCEPT Haymon. Meanwhile there are numerous examples of Haymon not working with other promoters. One side works with everyone and the other side is in their own bubble sabotaging fights left in right.

[The Big Dunn]

Prevents fights from being made? You sound dumb look at all the fights on HBO being made with rival promoters putting their top fighters against each other. Literally every other promoter EXCEPT Haymon. Meanwhile there are numerous examples of Haymon not working with other promoters. One side works with everyone and the other side is in their own bubble sabotaging fights left in right.

HBO banned Haymon, why d you keep omitting that? TR refused to work with Haymon, why are you blaming Haymon for this?

[MDPopescu]

... it seems it's about "purse bids" now... for the moment -- as Haymon didn't create a worldwide monopoly...

... but as soon as there will be "PBC U.S.", "PBC West-Europe", "PBC East-Europe" etc there will be no need for "purse bids" -- Haymon will dictate all the fights, all the purses, all the belts, all the TV channels a.s.o. ...

... global corporations aren't good except for Haymon's, right?

[BazookaGomez]

Bro. Look from both perspectives. Don't be biased towards one side.

As fans, we both want this fight to happen. The most fair way for it to happen is for it to go to purse bid. We cannot force promoters and networks to work together and we cannot tell fighters how much money they should be making. Purse bids solve these problems and get fights like Russell/Lomachenko signed and sealed.

Duva has no idea what she is doing and is desperate because she can not compete with the big dogs. She cannot be in control if she is not willing to make competitive offers.

I look at it on case by case basis rather than looking at everything in black and white, yes we know Duva doesn't do purse bids as they don't want to risk fighting off HBO and some of the blame lies with her for this, I'm not saying they're innocent.... But, knowing this I think Team Beterbiev should still compromise to make this fight happen, just given the difference in what Kovalev brings to the table and he does.

[The Big Dunn]

... it seems it's about "purse bids" now... for the moment -- as Haymon didn't create a worldwide monopoly...

... but as soon as there will be "PBC U.S.", "PBC West-Europe", "PBC East-Europe" etc there will be no need for "purse bids" -- Haymon will dictate all the fights, all the purses, all the belts, all the TV channels a.s.o. ...

... global corporations aren't good except for Haymon's, right?

Dude you are paranoid about Haymon's plan for the sport. Why?, because he hasn't told you what it is? If he told you, would you believe him or have you made up your mind?

[MDPopescu]

... how can wilder be ducking wlad when wlad doing mando povetkin already has a fight schedule for nov and wilder and povetkin doesn't start until oct 24th for fight to be made for beginning of next year Hopkins pulled out the Stevenson fight to fight kova that's not a duck beterbiev wants to take ibf eliminator first get in a better position he didn't know ibf was going order that when he was taking up offer for kova fight in November

This is what I call a genius... Crisp and highly abstract reasoning involved...