Comments Thread For: Team Beterbiev's Response To Kovalev's Promoter

[bigdunny1]

Klitscho vs Jennings
Klitscho vs Fury
Canelo vs Cotto
Canelo vs Kirkland
GGG vs Lemiuex
Matthysee vs Ruslan
Matthysee vs Postel
Hopkins vs Kovalev
Kovalev vs Pascal


None of these are in house fights. All are fights with rival promoters Top rank, Golden Boy, SMS, Roc Nation, K2, Shaw ect working together making deals to fight each other on HBO and those are just fights in the last year off the top of my head. Anybody trying to spin this around and say HBO is the problem or they are preventing the fight is just dumb. HBO has proven they will make the fights no matter who the damn promoter. They literally work with everybody.

Haymon is the one with beef and preventing these fights and look at the PBC cards and tell me how many fights include his top fighters vs the top fighters from his rival promoters? People trying to claim HBO is blackballing him when it's clear he has secluded himself and is operating in his own PBC bubble. Hell PBC broadcasters are not even allowed to mention fighters that he doesn't own. Which is why you get a fight with Jacobs vs Mora where the broadcast says it's for the middleweight championship totally refusing to acknowledge to the viewers Cotto, GGG and Lemieux guys who are either lineal world champs and all of which have bigger case to being the real champ and all have bigger fanbase. All other networks that cover boxing for years whether they have the other fighters under contract or not still mention them in their broadcast especially the world champs and especially when a fight is going on with a lesser belt holder in that division. Do you think this is unintentionally done by Haymon? Haymon is building his own boxing league where they only mention those fighters and it's virtually impossible for those guys to fight the world champs and better fighters from rival promoters.

It's not about money because we have multiple examples of Haymon making his fighters turn down more lucrative offers from rivals to prevent them fighting outside of PBC and Haymon's control. And it's not HBO because they have no problem working with everybody else.

[-PBP-]

Prevents fights from being made? You sound dumb look at all the fights on HBO being made with rival promoters putting their top fighters against each other. Literally every other promoter EXCEPT Haymon. Meanwhile there are numerous examples of Haymon not working with other promoters. One side works with everyone and the other side is in their own bubble sabotaging fights left in right.

They blackballed Haymon not the other way around. Haymon has worked with Eddie Hearn, Lou Dibella and numerous other promoters as well. Again...One sided argument.

[BazookaGomez]

Klitscho vs Jennings
Klitscho vs Fury
Canelo vs Cotto
Canelo vs Kirkland
GGG vs Lemiuex
Matthysee vs Ruslan
Matthysee vs Postel
Hopkins vs Kovalev
Kovalev vs Pascal


None of these are in house fights. All are fights with rival promoters Top rank, Golden Boy, SMS, Roc Nation, K2, Shaw ect working together making deals to fight each other on HBO and those are just fights in the last year off the top of my head. Anybody trying to spin this around and say HBO is the problem or they are preventing the fight is just dumb. HBO has proven they will make the fights no matter who the damn promoter. They literally work with everybody.

Haymon is the one with beef and preventing these fights and look at the PBC cards and tell me how many fights include his top fighters vs the top fighters from his rival promoters? People trying to claim HBO is blackballing him when it's clear he has secluded himself and is operating in his own PBC bubble. Hell PBC broadcasters are not even allowed to mention fighters that he doesn't own. Which is why you get a fight with Jacobs vs Mora where the broadcast says it's for the middleweight championship totally refusing to acknowledge to the viewers Cotto, GGG and Lemieux guys who are either lineal world champs and all of which have bigger case to being the real champ and all have bigger fanbase. All other networks that cover boxing for years whether they have the other fighters under contract or not still mention them in their broadcast especially the world champs and especially when a fight is going on with a lesser belt holder in that division. Do you think this is unintentionally done by Haymon? Haymon is building his own boxing league where they only mention those fighters and it's virtually impossible for those guys to fight the world champs and better fighters from rival promoters.

It's not about money because we have multiple examples of Haymon making his fighters turn down more lucrative offers from rivals to prevent them fighting outside of PBC and Haymon's control. And it's not HBO because they have no problem working with everybody else.

No man, it's not Haymon, he's an innocent victim, the world's against the man.

/sarcasm

[-PBP-]

Klitscho vs Jennings
Klitscho vs Fury
Canelo vs Cotto
Canelo vs Kirkland
GGG vs Lemiuex
Matthysee vs Ruslan
Matthysee vs Postel
Hopkins vs Kovalev
Kovalev vs Pascal


None of these are in house fights. All are fights with rival promoters Top rank, Golden Boy, SMS, Roc Nation, K2, Shaw ect working together making deals to fight each other on HBO and those are just fights in the last year off the top of my head. Anybody trying to spin this around and say HBO is the problem or they are preventing the fight is just dumb. HBO has proven they will make the fights no matter who the damn promoter. They literally work with everybody.

Haymon is the one with beef and preventing these fights and look at the PBC cards and tell me how many fights include his top fighters vs the top fighters from his rival promoters? People trying to claim HBO is blackballing him when it's clear he has secluded himself and is operating in his own PBC bubble. Hell PBC broadcasters are not even allowed to mention fighters that he doesn't own. Which is why you get a fight with Jacobs vs Mora where the broadcast says it's for the middleweight championship totally refusing to acknowledge to the viewers Cotto, GGG and Lemieux guys who are either lineal world champs and all of which have bigger case to being the real champ and all have bigger fanbase. All other networks that cover boxing for years whether they have the other fighters under contract or not still mention them in their broadcast especially the world champs and especially when a fight is going on with a lesser belt holder in that division. Do you think this is unintentionally done by Haymon? Haymon is building his own boxing league where they only mention those fighters and it's virtually impossible for those guys to fight the world champs and better fighters from rival promoters.

It's not about money because we have multiple examples of Haymon making his fighters turn down more lucrative offers from rivals to prevent them fighting outside of PBC and Haymon's control. And it's not HBO because they have no problem working with everybody else.

The fights happened because none of the fighters listed had exclusive network contracts that prevented them from happening. You have proven nothing.

Dirrell/Degale
Burns/Figueroa
Quillin/Lee
Russell/Gonzalez
Wilder/Stiverne
Harrison/Nelson

[The Big Dunn]

Klitscho vs Jennings
Klitscho vs Fury
Canelo vs Cotto
Canelo vs Kirkland
GGG vs Lemiuex
Matthysee vs Ruslan
Matthysee vs Postel
Hopkins vs Kovalev
Kovalev vs Pascal


None of these are in house fights. All are fights with rival promoters Top rank, Golden Boy, SMS, Roc Nation, K2, Shaw ect working together making deals to fight each other on HBO and those are just fights in the last year off the top of my head. Anybody trying to spin this around and say HBO is the problem or they are preventing the fight is just dumb. HBO has proven they will make the fights no matter who the damn promoter. They literally work with everybody.

Haymon is the one with beef and preventing these fights and look at the PBC cards and tell me how many fights include his top fighters vs the top fighters from his rival promoters? People trying to claim HBO is blackballing him when it's clear he has secluded himself and is operating in his own PBC bubble. Hell PBC broadcasters are not even allowed to mention fighters that he doesn't own. Which is why you get a fight with Jacobs vs Mora where the broadcast says it's for the middleweight championship totally refusing to acknowledge to the viewers Cotto, GGG and Lemieux guys who are either lineal world champs and all of which have bigger case to being the real champ and all have bigger fanbase. All other networks that cover boxing for years whether they have the other fighters under contract or not still mention them in their broadcast especially the world champs and especially when a fight is going on with a lesser belt holder in that division. Do you think this is unintentionally done by Haymon? Haymon is building his own boxing league where they only mention those fighters and it's virtually impossible for those guys to fight the world champs and better fighters from rival promoters.

It's not about money because we have multiple examples of Haymon making his fighters turn down more lucrative offers from rivals to prevent them fighting outside of PBC and Haymon's control. And it's not HBO because they have no problem working with everybody else.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9067117/hbo-puts-end-partnership-golden-boy

http://www.examiner.com/article/hbo-says-good-riddance-to-golden-boy-but-especially-al-haymon

http://www.si.com/mma/2013/09/27/ken-hershman-hbo-boxing-gennady-golovkin

[bigdunny1]

HBO banned Haymon, why d you keep omitting that? TR refused to work with Haymon, why are you blaming Haymon for this?

No Haymon tried to EXTORT HBO. History lesson Haymon refused to let his fighters sign contracts with HBO and he leveraged his roster of fighters to try and extort money out of them at the same time. Telling HBO you need to over pay figher A for this garbage mismatch Garcia vs Salka type fight and if you don't my fighters B, C, D are going to be taken off your network. Haymon wanted to put blatant mismatches and get overpaid for them while giving HBO no assurances that the next fight when and if they fight a top fighter will be on HBO. What network would be foolish to operate under those type of demands? He wanted HBO to hand him a blank check for mismatches and have no contracts? Look where that got Showtime. Look at the ruins Showtime boxing is now for letting Haymon pick the fights and overpay for mismatches with no contracts. First chance Haymon got he screwed them over taking all his fighters to network tv.

Haymon wasn't kicked out of HBO for no reason. He was kicked out because he tried to turn HBO to what you see now on PBC. Blatant mismatches but instead of his investors he is robbing he would of been robbing HBO. Saying HBO started this by blackballing him is like saying you blackballed a man from coming to your house after he came over and robbed you and broke your furniture. LMAO

[SchoolTheseCats]

Klitscho vs Jennings
Klitscho vs Fury
Canelo vs Cotto
Canelo vs Kirkland
GGG vs Lemiuex
Matthysee vs Ruslan
Matthysee vs Postel
Hopkins vs Kovalev
Kovalev vs Pascal


None of these are in house fights. All are fights with rival promoters Top rank, Golden Boy, SMS, Roc Nation, K2, Shaw ect working together making deals to fight each other on HBO and those are just fights in the last year off the top of my head. Anybody trying to spin this around and say HBO is the problem or they are preventing the fight is just dumb. HBO has proven they will make the fights no matter who the damn promoter. They literally work with everybody.

Haymon is the one with beef and preventing these fights and look at the PBC cards and tell me how many fights include his top fighters vs the top fighters from his rival promoters? People trying to claim HBO is blackballing him when it's clear he has secluded himself and is operating in his own PBC bubble. Hell PBC broadcasters are not even allowed to mention fighters that he doesn't own. Which is why you get a fight with Jacobs vs Mora where the broadcast says it's for the middleweight championship totally refusing to acknowledge to the viewers Cotto, GGG and Lemieux guys who are either lineal world champs and all of which have bigger case to being the real champ and all have bigger fanbase. All other networks that cover boxing for years whether they have the other fighters under contract or not still mention them in their broadcast especially the world champs and especially when a fight is going on with a lesser belt holder in that division. Do you think this is unintentionally done by Haymon? Haymon is building his own boxing league where they only mention those fighters and it's virtually impossible for those guys to fight the world champs and better fighters from rival promoters.

It's not about money because we have multiple examples of Haymon making his fighters turn down more lucrative offers from rivals to prevent them fighting outside of PBC and Haymon's control. And it's not HBO because they have no problem working with everybody else.

And what's the one thing all those fights have in common they are on HBO who came out publicly and said Harmon backed fighters are no longer allowed on they network

[bigdunny1]

The fights happened because none of the fighters listed had exclusive network contracts that prevented them from happening. You have proven nothing.

Dirrell/Degale
Burns/Figueroa
Quillin/Lee
Russell/Gonzalez
Wilder/Stiverne
Harrison/Nelson

Look at the list of fights I just named and then look at your list. Despite the fact that Haymon has over 200 fighters and has put on what 10X the amount of boxing cards as HBO and those are the best examples you can find? Why are his A list fighters not fighting the A list fighters from his rival promoters?

[The Big Dunn]

Look at the list of fights I just named and then look at your list. Despite the fact that Haymon has over 200 fighters and has put on what 10X the amount of boxing cards as HBO and those are the best examples you can find? Why are his A list fighters not fighting the A list fighters from his rival promoters?

Floyd v Manny? WIlder v Stivernne? His 2 biggest clients fought non Haymon fighters this year. You listed several fights that haven't been finalized or even happened yet.

[-PBP-]

Look at the list of fights I just named and then look at your list. Despite the fact that Haymon has over 200 fighters and has put on what 10X the amount of boxing cards as HBO and those are the best examples you can find? Why are his A list fighters not fighting the A list fighters from his rival promoters?

Are you kidding me???

Kirkland, Lemieux, Jennings, Postol, Ruslan and Pascal are NOT A-list fighters from their promoters


Russell/Gonzalez, Wilder/Stiverne and DeGale/Dirrell were excellent fights that impacted the landscape of their respective divisions.