Comments Thread For: Team Beterbiev's Response To Kovalev's Promoter

[BazookaGomez]

... It would be plain ****** not to like Beterbiev when someone labels himself a a boxing fan...

... But this isn't about fighters -- it's about Haymon's "politics"...

For sure it is, for me Haymon is a mixed bag, on one hand he's trying to do some good things putting fights on free networks, on the other the way he conducts his business and tries to separate himself and his fighter from other promoters and creating rifts in boxing is truly deplorable to me.

It's no coincidence this has followed him everywhere. First with Golden Boy and SHO and now it's continued on with PBC.

[Justin MSalvato]

always going after the inexperienced guys

Let Beterbiev have 20 or so fights, then fight him.

[The Big Dunn]

Purse bids when used correctly are a good thing to make the fight happen with the money ironed out. But here we see it's not about making the fight happen it's a tactical move to kill the fight and try to secure a vacate belt. I want to see the fights happen and it's a joke that one side has a offer on the table right now for a direct title shot and a 2-3 times the money he has ever gotten for a fight yet is turning it down refusing to negotiate to fight one more fight and force a purse bid to leverage a vacate. This is becoming like the franchise tag in the NFL. It started out being a tool for one thing but the owners are expoliting it. Haymon and a purse bid with any of his enemies means the fight doesn't happen. If he overbids it don't happen if the other side overbids like Roc Nation did he still pulls his fighters out. If he was consistent then you might get less people as upset but when it's clear that it ain't about the money and just blocking fights from happening it's pathetic. Why are purse bids outside of Haymon not going down like this? Why are no other promoters turning down direct fights just to fight a eliminator for less money?

I don't care who outsmarts who I just want to see the fights

You are pretending not to remember that Duva tried the "purse bid ploy" first only it backfired because she was unaware of the resources Haymon had.

Of course its about the money in this situation. Quillin was a totally different situation. You can't judge everything just based on that.

Her history suggests she is not operating with as much financial capital as other players in the game. SHe even is on record as not wanting to pay for VADA because of the costs associated with it.

Yes, Haymon wants to control everything so he can maximize his earnings. Arum tries to do same. Major corporations buy smaller ones and try to control the market all the time. Why are you whining about this now?

Getting outsmarted or outbid is not nefarious or illegal. Negotiating in a way to protect your interests isn't either.

As for the Kov/Bieterbiev fight-kov calling him out was nothing more than a face saving move to deflect from him pulling out o the purse bid for Stevenson. Kov doesn't deserve to be rewarded for that.

[kafkod]

I would love to see this fight, but this situation clearly shows how desperate Kovalev's people are for any meaningful fight. The fact that he's hounding a 9-0 guy and his team is pissed off that a 9-0 guy won't fight them. I can't remember any other time where a promoter with a unified 175-pound champion, a guy with 3 belts, is furious because a 9-0 guy who in all respects is still a prospect, won't fight them because he wants another fight to prepare. The problem is, his promoter locked him in to this HBO deal with no opponents ready to go. Why else would he be fighting on a date in November in Moscow, Russia with no American TV?

Artur is from Chechnya and chechenian president Akhmat Kadyrov is very rich (he probably has more money than Al Haymon, Bob Arum and Ryabinsky together) and a huge fan of the sport, you could see him at every moscow boxing event in the audience. It would be a HUGE fight in Russia. There are already thousands comments on Kovalev's page in "vkontakte"(russian analog of facebook), where fans of Sergey and Artur talking **** to each other. This fight is similar to Cotto vs Canelo.

Duva having Kovalev fight in Russia next is a very smart move. I think she and Kovalev knew that Beterbiev's team would end up rejecting her offer, even though, imo, Artur himself truly wants the fight.

This could be a massive fight in Russia if it is publicised properly, and the tension, fued, whatever you want to call it, is allowed to simmer for a while.

I think that when and if it happens, even if there is a purse bid, it will happen in Russia.

[SCEN3RY]

And they will duck just like with stevenson

c'mon you're smarter than that Hanz - stevenson and beterbiev turned down the fights (can you deny this?). Kov turned down a purse bid (so that the fight wouldn't get taken off hbo). You can't misapply the word duck here.

[-PBP-]

I call BS when I see it, Stevenson situation for me was BS, and I called it that, Stevenson was a champion, he was level with Kovalev and for that I think a purse bid was the way to do things and I'm fine with that.

However, in this case, Kovalev is giving Beterbiev a shot at three titles, nobody even expected him to do that and that's rarely precedented, Beterbiev was lucky to receive the offer and financially GYM said everything was ok so this was not a lowball or anything like that. However, his team know full well that he's tied to HBO so what's he gonna do? Instead of making the fight happen they found a way to maneuver past him and get the paper title. Disgusting duckjob to me.

And I like Beterbiev.

Stevenson pulled a coward move. You get no brownie points for that criticism because that's what you are supposed to do as a boxing fan. In this case, Team Beterbiev is looking to become Kovalev's mandatory and allow the fight to go to purse bid, so may the best man win.

First I'm not even a big fan of Kovalev. Second why does this fight need to be bid on? He is offering you the fight right now offering you big money. Hell the other side is not even saying the money is low or putting out a dollar amount. Why? BECAUSE IT AIN'T ABOUT THE MONEY. If it was then why didn't the Quillen fight happen? that was the most money he has been offered to fight in his career up to date. And it was a fight he wanted. Stop trying to spin this like Duva is being cheap when she just offered 2-3 times what they make for fights. You can't scream Stevenson just wants the biggest payday fight and ignore Beterbiev turning down the biggest payday fight here or Quillen turning down the biggest payday fight. There is one consistent factor in all this Haymon refusing to allow the fight to happen outside of him controlling the venu. So let's stop this charade about it being about money or "resources" or one side being cheap.

Why accept a million bucks when you can make 2?

^^^ ... Typical "Haymon poster" ... What "bid"??? Beterbiev isn't the IBF mandatory for Kovalev -- therefore no "bid" is required here... Beterbiev called Kova out, Yvon Michel publicly agreed for an offer.

... This isn't about "favorite fighters", this is about Haymon willingly trying to kill anything that moves outside his "franchise"...

Did you read the article? He wants to become his mandatory which will force a bid which would let the promoters go toe to toe and the rights will be given to whoever bids the most money.

[peplz]

Why dont you two ******ed clowns just STFU? Everything you say is 100% predictable anyway.

You are completely transparent, primitive hateful bunch of losers on the forums, you add nothing to any conversation but your preposterous agenda for the sake of matter.

"The whole world is black and white, even if i'm wrong i'm completeley right."

Why do you even take part in a conversation when you're so limited in your comprehension and everything you say is the same ****** mantra?

Wow. You're a psycho. Neither one of those comments that you quoted had any hostile words in them yet you respond to them like they insulted your mother. You need some therapy.

[peplz]

if flat out saying "thank you your offer was fair and we challenged you to begin with but now we changed our minds cuz it looks hard" isn't a duck then what is exactly

the term must have no meaning

The term doesn't have any meaning. It's just something a bunch of gossip girls who call themselves boxing fans like to cackle about.

[MDPopescu]

... Few days ago, Yvon Michel just publicly stated that this is a huge opportunity for Beterbiev (who isn't the mando) and that they will take an offer for a three belts shot in Moscow...
... Was Michel ****** back then?...
... No he wasn't -- he only proved to be what everybody knows he is -- a puppet promoter...

[MDPopescu]

Let Beterbiev have 20 or so fights, then fight him.

... like Rigo or Lomachenko, right?