where was all the uproar when PAC fought Rios n algieri? money earned an easier figh

[comanick]

So how about Floyd vs Rios? or Floyd vs Algeri?

Would either of these fights be acceptable?

[Eastcoast]

Double standards.... Mayweather has defeated like 13 major world titleholders in a row

Berto is as well


He could fight anyone not a middleweight and some will complain anyway


He can fight who he wants he already beat everyone who matters

You're seriously trying to justify Berto? Especially when TBE has Brooks, Thurman, Porter, Khan, Spence to choose from. Say goodbye to your credibility.

[BrometheusBob.]

Exactly what I said, you didn't know who Algieiri was before hand.

You are calling Algieiri and "up and comer" based solely on him getting the fight. you admitted you hadn't seen his body of work so your opinion lacks evidence. with Berto you have seen far more fights-wins and losses.

No one thought algieiri could win. Manny suck offs like Hectari pretended they saw this as a "tough style matchup". Of course no one thinks Berto can win because Floyd is Floyd.

Just admit it "Bob", Manny fought algieiri because it was an easy stay busy fight that wouldn't affect the Floyd fight in May. Even though Floyd is saying he is retiring, Berto is the same thing IMO.

I said he was an up and comer because he had 20 professional fights, only one for a world title. He was clearly not far into his boxing career. I said I watched him vs provo, which was before Pac so I knew that much and before rendering an opinion on the pick did some research on his other fights. I didn't think it was a great pick, and there were many better options. I was not denying that at any point in this discussion.

At any case what I knew about him then is not even relevant towards my current assessment of that pick made with my current knowledge of where he was at the time. He was a better pick then than Berto is now, I stand by that. I'd feel the same way if it was Pac fighting Berto next instead of Floyd. Berto is objectively doodoo compared to them.

You can say no one thought Algieri *could* win, but that just isn't true. They were wrong, but hindsight is 20-20 my friend and you are being very revionist about it.

The fact that Floyd is Floyd is part of my point. If this was Leonard Bundu calling out Berto, you obviously cannot call that a cherry pick. The fact that Floyd is so much better than who he is picking is exactly why this is a cherry pick. You couldn't fault Floyd for being the favorite, especially if he picks amongst the best available opposition, because he's the best boxer P4P right now. But, there are some fighters that would be a 10-1 underdog and then there are 100-1 underdog fighters. And the latter are bad picks.

[The Big Dunn]

I said he was an up and comer because he had 20 professional fights, only one for a world title. He was clearly not far into his boxing career. I said I watched him vs provo, which was before Pac so I knew that much and before rendering an opinion on the pick did some research on his other fights. I didn't think it was a great pick, and there were many better options. I was not denying that at any point in this discussion.

At any case what I knew about him then is not even relevant towards my current assessment of that pick made with my current knowledge of where he was at the time. He was a better pick then than Berto is now, I stand by that. I'd feel the same way if it was Pac fighting Berto next instead of Floyd. Berto is objectively doodoo compared to them.

You can say no one thought Algieri *could* win, but that just isn't true. They were wrong, but hindsight is 20-20 my friend and you are being very revionist about it.

The fact that Floyd is Floyd is part of my point. If this was Leonard Bundu calling out Berto, you obviously cannot call that a cherry pick. The fact that Floyd is so much better than who he is picking is exactly why this is a cherry pick. You couldn't fault Floyd for being the favorite, especially if he picks amongst the best available opposition, because he's the best boxer P4P right now. But, there are some fighters that would be a 10-1 underdog and then there are 100-1 underdog fighters. And the latter are bad picks.

No they were Manny cum gurglers trying to justify an easy fight by falsely suggesting it was a tough style matchup.

Berto is better than Algieri and you know it. It's disgraceful to even suggest beating Provo somehow makes him as good as Berto, who admittedly isn't much.

Floyd is "so much better" than whoever he picks, so there would always be complaints unless he picked GGG. I compare this fight to ODH v Forbes.

Obviously Floyd has defeated far better fighters than Berto. But Floyd IMO is looking to win and get to the 50th fight, so he is taking on a Berto.

[BrometheusBob.]

No they were Manny cum gurglers trying to justify an easy fight by falsely suggesting it was a tough style matchup.

Berto is better than Algieri and you know it. It's disgraceful to even suggest beating Provo somehow makes him as good as Berto, who admittedly isn't much.

Floyd is "so much better" than whoever he picks, so there would always be complaints unless he picked GGG. I compare this fight to ODH v Forbes.

Obviously Floyd has defeated far better fighters than Berto. But Floyd IMO is looking to win and get to the 50th fight, so he is taking on a Berto.

1 - If Algieri was fighting Berto next, I'd more than likely have money on Algieri. That's mostly because he picked up a new trainer and looked solid against Khan. I had it 8-4 Khan but Algieri looked much better than anyone expected, and much better than Berto has looked in his Ws and Ls in the last fiveish years.

2 - There are levels to this so much better ****. The magnitude by which he is better than Khan, Porter, Brook or Bradley and others is far smaller than it is for Berto. If he fought one of the prior guys, you can't fault him because he's picking one of the best available opponents. The fact that neither of them are as good as him is not his problem. But when he foregoes many much better opponents to pick Berto, who is by no means deserving of this shot and has no chance, I have to call that a cherry pick.

[PAC-BOY]

1 Manny hasn't fought Khan or Ruslan or Maidana or Canelo.

2 I don't know about Algieiri boxing circles around Berto.

3 Algieri and Berto should not be in against someone on Floyd's level or someone on Manny's level.

1. I know he didnt. His opponents have. Didnt say he did

2. Yes he would

3. I agree!

[The Big Dunn]

1 - If Algieri was fighting Berto next, I'd more than likely have money on Algieri. That's mostly because he picked up a new trainer and looked solid against Khan. I had it 8-4 Khan but Algieri looked much better than anyone expected, and much better than Berto has looked in his Ws and Ls in the last fiveish years.

2 - There are levels to this so much better ****. The magnitude by which he is better than Khan, Porter, Brook or Bradley and others is far smaller than it is for Berto. If he fought one of the prior guys, you can't fault him because he's picking one of the best available opponents. The fact that neither of them are as good as him is not his problem. But when he foregoes many much better opponents to pick Berto, who is by no means deserving of this shot and has no chance, I have to call that a cherry pick.

Yes, he did well against Khan, most likely because Khan is one of the more over rated boxers out today.

That said, you seriously can't compare 1 fight against Berto's body of work. That is an uneven sample set. In any metric you use, Andre Berto is a better pro than Algieiri. They may be close to the same level now, but Algieir is at his peak, while Berto is far below his.

Yes he could pick them, except for Tim who is with TR, and they would be better than Berto. Same as Manny could've done when he picked algieiri.

the point is Berto is to Floyd what algieiri was to Manny.

[BrometheusBob.]

So how about Floyd vs Rios? or Floyd vs Algeri?

Would either of these fights be acceptable?

As in if he was going to fight them next? They would be eh-worthy picks but they would both be better than picking Berto.

[BrometheusBob.]

Yes, he did well against Khan, most likely because Khan is one of the more over rated boxers out today.

That said, you seriously can't compare 1 fight against Berto's body of work. That is an uneven sample set. In any metric you use, Andre Berto is a better pro than Algieiri. They may be close to the same level now, but Algieir is at his peak, while Berto is far below his.

Yes he could pick them, except for Tim who is with TR, and they would be better than Berto. Same as Manny could've done when he picked algieiri.

the point is Berto is to Floyd what algieiri was to Manny.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. If Floyd was fighting someone like Sadam Ali the analogy would work better in my view. Or I guess to be fair I should make the analogy with a 140lber, so maybe someone like Rances Barthelemy. *shrug*

I agree that Algieri shouldn't have been the opponent for Manny, but I think Berto is a worse pick is all I'm saying.

[The Big Dunn]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. If Floyd was fighting someone like Sadam Ali the analogy would work better in my view. Or I guess to be fair I should make the analogy with a 140lber, so maybe someone like Rances Barthelemy. *shrug*

I agree that Algieri shouldn't have been the opponent for Manny, but I think Berto is a worse pick is all I'm saying.

At some point guys like you need to value wins. You give Algieiri all this credit for losing tough to khan and for beating Provo because Provo fought tough and lost to Tim. meanwhile Berto beats people like Carlos Quintana (that beat Paul Williams) Collazo, Urango all that are better than Provo.

Berto may not be great, but Algieiri is NEVER going to have the same level of respect Berto had in his career.

If Algieri didn't fight Manny, you would never have known he existed.