Andre ward says he's ready and available to fight gennnady golovkin:

[Reloaded]

Nonsense.

Ward is unpopular and can't draw flies - he had to give away tickets near ringside for his last fight!

In contrast, Froch has sold out a big stadium in London, UK for a PPV fight.

A good matchup will outsell whatever either can bring fighting nobodys , GGG vs Ward is a big fight that would sell big .

Your just a biased poster that protects anybody you like and does a flip flop on anybody you dont like , apply your biased BS to everybody .

[La_Vibora]

Not reading this whole 20 pages of this thread, can someone just tell me if Ward agreed to go down to 164? If not then this fight is a waste of time. Lets be frank, GGG is tailor made for Ward, at 168 of course Ward wins, why would you guys even want to see that? At 164 lbs on the other hand, that atleast makes things a bit more challenging and more interesting. Why can't you guys see that?

[The Hammer]

Again, Andre Ward is a bigger draw in AMERICA than Carl Froch is.

But Froch is a HUGE draw in the UK, which is where Golovkin wanted to fight him, while Ward can't even draw flies in his hometown.

GGG had FAR more fans at his last fight in California than Ward had for his last fight, and didn't need to give away any tickets. And Golovkin had a MUCH better TV rating than Ward.

[Scipio2009]

Doesn't matter if he doesn't acknowledge it or not, objectively he isn't anymore.

Outside of bringing on HBO, who back Golovkin, Golovkin is literally the A-side in no other metric. Golovkin doesn't bring in the gate money that Ward does, Golovkin doesn't bring the sponsors that Ward does, and Golovkin arguably doesn't have the UK interest/name value that Ward does.

spin it however you want

[MrP4P]

Team Ward wants to use the Bernard Hopkins blueprint and make all the smaller guys with big names like Golovkin come up to 168.

Like Hopkins made Calzaghe come up to 175 and Pavlik come up to 170.

lol okay okay

[ИATAS]

Team GGG wants to use the Bernard Hopkins blueprint at 160 and make all the little guys with big names come up to 160.

Hopkins did it with Tito/De La Hoya.

Trinidad was a middleweight champion. Hell even Oscar had a belt and he challenged Bernard. In order for Hopkins to unify the division he had to fight these guys. Hopkins didn't make anyone come up to him they came to him and were already there. Trinidad beat Joppy for a MW title and Oscar got the decision over Sturm.

GGG is trying to do the same thing with Cotto/Canelo/Mayweather

Likewise, Golovkin is trying to unify HIS OWN division. Cotto is lineal middleweight champion and WBC title holder, you know the belt Golovkin is mandatory to. Of course it's only natural for Golovkin to want the belts in his own weight class (isn't that the point of boxing?). Canelo's last three fights have technically been at middleweight and we all know he's eventually going to campaign at 160, the only question is when. As for a Floyd fight, that's just a dream fight, everyone wants Floyd (even Ward). Who doesn't say they would like to fight Mayweather and earn career high paydays?

while DUCKING Andre Ward and praying he moves up to 175 so GGG can eventually set up shop at 168 after beating the little guys.

How do you duck a guy that isn't in your own weight class? A guy who wasnt even fighting for two years and just made his comeback? That's like saying Ward has been ducking Kovalev.

[V.WEBB]

LOL at the A and B side arguments.

[Eastcoast]

It bombed because they would be lucky to break even with the how much it costs to hold an event there.

Define 'bombed', because they made a profit. It costs $400k to rent out the full MSG, they rented a scaled-down setup. They held expectations of 7,500 due to the quality of the opponent. Nobody had expectations of it being a super fight like Cotto/Martinez with 21,000 sold & $5mill gate. Cotto/Geale on eve of the Puerto Rican day parade had 12,157 and Cotto/Trout did 13,096. Looking back further Cotto/Jennings had 9,903 sold with a gate of $969,424.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/14/sp...re-garden.html

That's in reference to Cotto-Alvarez I think.

EDIT: OCT 17. Nvm.

Why would K2 hold MSG for Cotto/Alvarez?

[MPX309]

I'm just keen to see Tom Loeffler's response. I hope they go for it.

[Eastcoast]

Outside of bringing on HBO, who back Golovkin, Golovkin is literally the A-side in no other metric. Golovkin doesn't bring in the gate money that Ward does, Golovkin doesn't bring the sponsors that Ward does, and Golovkin arguably doesn't have the UK interest/name value that Ward does.

spin it however you want

It doesn't even have to be about A-side/B-side arguments. Golovkin is the one who has to move up and Ward is the one who needs Golovkin.

W/O Ward - Golovkin can fight N'Dam in October, sell 10,000 tix, get 1.5mill tv views, make over a million from HBO another million from international sales.

W/O Golovkin - Ward goes back to BET, fights in front of a paper'd house, gets maybe 500,000 tv viewers, and loses his promoter another $2mill.