Al Haymon (my non-racial criticism)

[joseph5620]

I dislike him for the fact that his attempts at driving out the competition so he can control everything is ****ing things up for everyone else.

And the worst thing? The PBC thing is destined to fail, it does not add up at all. It's success is build on the notion of burning through millions of dollars to reach the end game of driving Top Rank, Golden Boy and HBO (and now add ROC) out. It's not going to happen. They might struggle but not to the extent that they will shrivel and die whilst Haymon scoops up deserters.

And when it does all end in disaster, what then? What the hell kind of state is Al Haymon going to leave boxing in?

Thanks for sharing your Internet expertise on the business side of boxing. I assume your resume is loaded with high profile clients.

[mlac]

clearly killing the sport - the matchups are getting more and more awful.

will the bum / tin can / taxi driver win 0 rounds or 1 round? maybe he will win 2!!!!!!!!

its on free tv doe!!!

no actually its not, im in the uk so shove it up ya arse haymon

[Chrismart]

But he gave us Thurman Vs Guerrero. Apparently, a 'match up for the ages' if you go by what is said on Boxing Scene in any given Haymon thread.

[Eff Pandas]

You have no clue WTF your talking about.

I see you are avoiding at all costs talking about the MAA cuz you know you 1)ain't even read that mfer probably or 2)have mumbled through it all confused & couldn't find **** Haymon is doing wrong.

[Porter's Dad]

1. Low risk/high reward existed way before Haymon. But I think once Floyd retires and these young guys realize that they won't get that lottery ticket they will start fighting each other

I'm all for fighters getting paid well, this is an incredibly tough sport - but the problem with Haymon is that he is over-paying fighters and it's just not sustainable.

The reason he does is this because he wants to cultivate the image that he pays the best so he's more attractive to fighters from other promotional teams.

It's totally distorting the market and means no fighters want to make the big fights anymore when the mark-up for taking them is only a little more than taking an easy fight.

He also needs to be more ****ing sensible with the investors money cos this thing is going to crash and burn quicker than he realises if he doesn't start getting sensible.

[AddiX]

I see you are avoiding at all costs talking about the MAA cuz you know you 1)ain't even read that mfer probably or 2)have mumbled through it all confused & couldn't find **** Haymon is doing wrong.

The Ali act takes 2 seconds to read, yes I've read it.

I'm avoiding talking to you about it because debates with lifeforms as low are yourself are pointless.

You've never taking any business law classes, you probably haven't passed high school, yet somehow you think the biggest law firms in the nation and the federal government have no clue what there doing when they accepted this case.

[Eff Pandas]

The Ali act takes 2 seconds to read, yes I've read it.

I'm avoiding talking to you about it because debates with lifeforms as low are yourself are pointless.

You've never taking any business law classes, you probably haven't passed high school, yet somehow you think the biggest law firms in the nation and the federal government have no clue what there doing when they accepted this case.

All I see is you NOT talking about what Haymon is supposedly in violation of in the MAA. I understand its embarrassing when you get called out not knowing ****, but don't be projecting your own lack of understanding on me like I'm the dumb mfer lol. You aren't saying what you claim to know cuz it isn't there is the problem.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Its funny seeing guys tell the board that posters only hate Haymon because he's black when Haymon being black is the only reason they defend him.

[Porter's Dad]

PBC is definitely a risky proposition. No doubt about that. It 100% could & might fail although I wouldn't say its a forgone conclusion.

You don't believe there is enough money in boxing for one critical mass of elite fighters being backed by one league-like entity to be able to pay those elite fighters $1M-$6M per card (which I believe has been the range for most of the full PBC cards thus far)?

From my understanding the UFC is getting $90M for 4 shows a year ($22.5M per card). The NHL gets about $200M for showing about 100 games (ie $2M a game). If those sports, which seem to be in the ratings range of boxing typically, are getting that much I'd assume the PBC can parlay a similar deal at some point once there is a more league-like format in boxing. Creating that critical mass of elite fighters is the biggest hurdle for PBC & perhaps impossible to accomplish, but you don't get anywhere not trying to make **** happen.

It's not going to work, it is so painfully obvious. He has a huge pool of clients but there is no breakout star in there. He's pushing guys like Quillin and Santa Cruz (more out of loyalty than anything else because they have NO goodwill in the sport).

He is burning through money without gathering any momentum or heat in the process. There have been no significant progress or traction for the boxing landscape since the PBC thing started, it's just sort of happening around us.

The PBC fights themselves haven't been that bad - they've been up and down, like most other promotional outfits. But they aren't good enough to warrant this great push. There hasn't been a single great event or star to emerge.

All I'm going to say is this. Look at the state Haymon left HBO, Golden Boy and now Showtime once he had used them. They are still trying to recover.

[Eff Pandas]

It's not going to work, it is so painfully obvious. He has a huge pool of clients but there is no breakout star in there. He's pushing guys like Quillin and Santa Cruz (more out of loyalty than anything else because they have NO goodwill in the sport).

He is burning through money without gathering any momentum or heat in the process. There have been no significant progress or traction for the boxing landscape since the PBC thing started, it's just sort of happening around us.

The PBC fights themselves haven't been that bad - they've been up and down, like most other promotional outfits. But they aren't good enough to warrant this great push. There hasn't been a single great event or star to emerge.

All I'm going to say is this. Look at the state Haymon left HBO, Golden Boy and now Showtime once he had used them. They are still trying to recover.

Okay whatever with all that, but you don't believe a critical mass of elite level fighters could get a TV station paying a UFC or NHL $100M-$200M type deal to boxing if there was such an entity? I mean HBO has had a huge 8 or 9 digit budget for boxing over the last 20 or so years (its been dwindling over those last 20 or so years granted). Certainly another entity like a NBC or CBS could, if they wanted, pay that sort of $100M-$200M+ type deal for boxing if there was a outfit that could secure top fights on a regular basis which PBC would be well equipped to do in a few years if they keep the influx of talent they have been getting over the last 6-12 months.

What PBC is doing now isn't so much the end goal imo. I think they are 4 months in & ****ing up a lot with random things, but this plan seems like a 4 year+ plan so there is plenty of time to better & perfect things & gather even more & better fighters.