Al Haymon (my non-racial criticism)

[Eff Pandas]

Its not for Haymon to build the fighter up. Its the fighters job to make his name by performing well. Haymon just putting them on national TV. Porter performance against Broner is a prime example.

Yea, this keeps being mentioned like creating a hype job is noble talent or something. Fighters ultimately make themselves & Haymon is gonna be able to make any fighter more popular than he was gonna be with the platform he's building.

[Eff Pandas]

Considering Haymon has most of the fufhters, who's fault is that?

Haymon cant build stars for ****. Look at Chavez now, dude gets booed in Texas.

Building stars is a lot more than just throwing them on tv.

Haymon ain't do **** to hurt Junior. Junior hurt himself by being the P4P champion of doing dumb ****.

Stars build themselves. The best talent Arum has had in boxing is finding talent, not promoting that talent. Oscar made Oscar, Floyd made Floyd, Manny made Manny & Miguel made Miguel, Bob just made money off of them. All 4 of those superstars woulda made themselves with any promoter & 3 of the 4 made themselves bigger without Bob than with Bob.

[Scipio2009]

There's good sides and bad sides.

What I'm really curious About is how the sport will operate with so few "local" promoters building talent on there cards. There's no reward for those promoters anymore, since Haymon will just end up taking there fighters or locking them out of tv deals.

For whatever good Haymon has done, no one can deny, he hasn't developed one star from scratch yet. None, over 10 years in this industry, no stars. Don't forget, top rank developed Floyd.

This sport rides and dies with it's stars, and I don't trust Haymon to build them. Heck, look at Chavez since hen got him, from HBO ratings star to complete bum, he ruined what too rank protected and built for years in one fight.

Haymon helped turn Floyd from a star to the sport's brightest superstar; beyond that, he got close with Andre Berto, and is getting close with Deontay Wilder, Danny Garcia, and Keith Thurman, with Errol Spence leading Haymon's next bumper crop of talented fighter to possibly break out (Charlo brothers, Khyrtov, Erickson Lubin, Jordan Shimmel, etc).

Beyond that, local promoters (in the Haymon group at least, most of the cards that are put together are 11-13 bout cards, where Haymon is only interested in 3 of the bouts for TV and other fights to help keep the guys he has who are ready to fight, busy) are doing fine; even those who aren't with Haymon (GH3 is the standout operator as of this moment), if they are willing to hustle, there's opportunities to have their guys get exposure to. Antoine Douglass is coming along just fine as of this moment.

If you don't want to trust the guy, that's your prerogative; still give the man at least the credit that he's earned.

[ea22]

Haymon ain't do **** to hurt Junior. Junior hurt himself by being the P4P champion of doing dumb ****.

Stars build themselves. The best talent Arum has had in boxing is finding talent, not promoting that talent. Oscar made Oscar, Floyd made Floyd, Manny made Manny & Miguel made Miguel, Bob just made money off of them. All 4 of those superstars woulda made themselves with any promoter & 3 of the 4 made themselves bigger without Bob than with Bob.

That's not entirely true, bad matchmaking can ruin a fighter, and a lot of Haymon's fighters have lost their luster since riding with him. Garcia, and Stevenson are becoming increasingly irrelevant (especially Adonis) because of bad matchmaking, and what people perceive as easy fights. Adonis from fighter of the year to what he is now, because Kovalev basically cleaned house while Adonis has been getting paid well for easy fights but also meaningless fights.

[OnePunch]

Agreed. This is where I think Haymon will come unstuck. Actually building a fighter up from scratch is a real science. Say what you want about a couple of snakes like Don King and Arum but they do know how to build fighters up.

So far Haymon's only idea seems to be sign everyone up and chuck them on free TV. I think Golden Boy are probably somewhere between the two.

I'll be interested to see where Haymon is in 4 or 5 years. He could well succeed he seems like a fairly clued up guy.

The most important thing for me is that there isn't a monopoly from ANY promoter in the sport.

Haymon does not have a Bruce Trampler or a Bobby Goodman.........

[joseph5620]

You guys are too ****** to realize that when Haymon was putting all those bad fights on Showtime last year, he was ripping YOU off.

You pay for Showtime, that was your money he paid Danny Garcia to fight Salka with. Look at last years Showtime lineup, complete garbage, you paid for it.

"Oh but he black, so is ok, when Floyd get paid, it be like, we all get paid."

Dumb mother ****ers.

There is a lot more to Showtime other than boxing, Dylan Roof. Now I understand why Haymon's wealth and power bothers you so much. It makes Don King look like he told the truth which is saying something.

[AddiX]

There is a lot more to Showtime other than boxing, Dylan Roof. Now I understand why Haymon's wealth and power bothers you so much. It makes Don King look like he told the truth which is saying something.

I don't mind Haymon one bit, I'm just not blinded enough to block out his weaknesses in this sport, or the fact that he first ripped off hbo and there subscribers, than ripped off Showtime and there subscribers, and now is ripping off his investors.

Not to mention he's been stealing fighters from promoters since getting in this sport, and quite possibly has been breaking laws while doing it.

And I don't hate black people, just the really ignorant ****** ones.

"he black though, real talk yo, real talk yo, they just mad cuz they racist yo, nah I mean?"

**** outta here with that bull****. Too ****** to come up with intelligent arguments so you run to the race card. As my best friend who's black always says, "we don't like them ignorant *****s either."

[Sweet Jones]

I don't mind Haymon one bit, I'm just not blinded enough to block out his weaknesses in this sport, or the fact that he first ripped off hbo and there subscribers, than ripped off Showtime and there subscribers, and now is ripping off his investors.

Not to mention he's been stealing fighters from promoters since getting in this sport, and quite possibly has been breaking laws while doing it.

And I don't hate black people, just the really ignorant ****** ones.

"he black though, real talk yo, real talk yo, they just mad cuz they racist yo, nah I mean?"

**** outta here with that bull****. Too ****** to come up with intelligent arguments so you run to the race card. As my best friend who's black always says, "we don't like them ignorant *****s either."

The ole 'my-best-friend-is-black' claim, eh? Predictable, yet still sad.

And by the way, how exactly does a manager/advisor 'steal' a fighter from a promoter, when all I keep hearing from the newfound Ali Act defenders is the demarcated line between the two roles.

[AddiX]

The ole 'my-best-friend-is-black' claim, eh? Predictable, yet still sad.

And by the way, how exactly does a manager/advisor 'steal' a fighter from a promoter, when all I keep hearing from the newfound Ali Act defenders is the demarcated line between the two roles.

That's the whole point of the lawsuit genius.

Haymon has found loopholes in the Ali Act and exploited them for years. The reason these lawsuits were filed have been talked up for years now, no one is surprised by this.

And how he steals fighters is quite simple, he tells them not to fight and not to cooperate until the promoter accepts haymons conditions to allow Haymon full control of the fighter.

[Eff Pandas]

That's not entirely true, bad matchmaking can ruin a fighter

Yea I wouldn't disagree with that to some degree for most guys, BUT those superstar guys we're talking about like Oscar, Floyd, Manny & Miguel still win even when matched badly. Thats how you become a star & a future HOFer. If you don't win those tough fights you turn into the hype job who was cleverly moved to the height he eventually reached. Or they lose those badly matched fights when they are already a star & it would be hard if not impossible to fall very far.