Al Haymon (my non-racial criticism)

[-PBP-]

1. First is what I mentioned above about how he has essentially created a culture of low risk high reward (as in inflated purses not greater glory) fighters.
2. He is largely responsible for the current boxing political landscape. His fighters can't fight on HBO because he screwed them, can't fight TR fighters bc he won't do business with them, can't fight GB fighter's bc him and Schaefer screwed them, can't fight Roc Nation fighters and tried to block them from the business due to old fueds. And before the current landscape he got GB banned from HBO and him and Schaefer were responsible for the GB and TR cold war.
3. He completely threw away an entire year of boxing. His fighters were not in one competitive fight all year unless it was a mandatory in all of 2014. They set an absolutely new low for boxing in 2014.
4. Lastly is that I don't like what he seems to be aiming for. He is trying to set up his own league of boxing (or set up a monopoly). That just brings more walls and barriers in the way of making the best possible fights and that is the last thing we need in the sport.

1. Low risk/high reward existed way before Haymon. But I think once Floyd retires and these young guys realize that they won't get that lottery ticket they will start fighting each other.

2. I don't think it's fair to blame the political landscape on him. Arum used this in house fight model for years and often he wants options on you if you take on one of his fighters.

3. Last year was bad and there is no excuse for Garcia/Salka type of cards. I agree with you here. But Showtime and GBP have the power to approve the product they put their name on and they did nothing about this.

4. This is what promoters and sanctioning bodies have been trying to do for years. Haymon has just done what they were all unable to do.

[Eff Pandas]

Haymon has found loopholes in the Ali Act and exploited them for years.

Please breakdown these MAA loopholes. I love to hear guys try to break down what Haymon is doing wrong.

[Numb Digger]

yall just hatin cuz he black and sucessful. get real. he is the savior of boxing! if he were white yall would call him jesus christ! FOH!

[AddiX]

Please breakdown these MAA loopholes. I love to hear guys try to break down what Haymon is doing wrong.

You mean your too ****** to Understand it so you need me to explain it?

[Porter's Dad]

I dislike him for the fact that his attempts at driving out the competition so he can control everything is ****ing things up for everyone else.

And the worst thing? The PBC thing is destined to fail, it does not add up at all. It's success is build on the notion of burning through millions of dollars to reach the end game of driving Top Rank, Golden Boy and HBO (and now add ROC) out. It's not going to happen. They might struggle but not to the extent that they will shrivel and die whilst Haymon scoops up deserters.

And when it does all end in disaster, what then? What the hell kind of state is Al Haymon going to leave boxing in?

[Eff Pandas]

You mean your too ****** to Understand it so you need me to explain it?

Actually I believe you're to ****** to know anything about the MAA cuz if you did you'd know there isn't anything in the MAA that Haymon is doing wrong. Unless you are completely desperate to stop Haymon (or dumb) like Oscar & Bob than you can suggest he's the "real" promoter but we all know what promoters do & Haymon is no promoter or if he is somehow a defacto non-present promoter than HBO is a defacto non-present promoter too & has been in violation of the MAA for decades & should be stopped also.

[AddiX]

Actually I believe you're to ****** to know anything about the MAA cuz if you did you'd know there isn't anything in the MAA that Haymon is doing wrong. Unless you are completely desperate to stop Haymon (or dumb) like Oscar & Bob than you can suggest he's the "real" promoter but we all know what promoters do & Haymon is no promoter or if he is somehow a defacto non-present promoter than HBO is a defacto non-present promoter too & has been in violation of the MAA for decades & should be stopped also.

Stop it, your embarrassing yourself, you sound like the ******ed old black guys in the hood who blame everything on the illuminati.

You have no clue WTF your talking about.

[Sweet Jones]

That's the whole point of the lawsuit genius.

Haymon has found loopholes in the Ali Act and exploited them for years. The reason these lawsuits were filed have been talked up for years now, no one is surprised by this.

And how he steals fighters is quite simple, he tells them not to fight and not to cooperate until the promoter accepts haymons conditions to allow Haymon full control of the fighter.

A manager advising his clients to not participate in the old 'my-promoter-controls-my-career' way of business and advising them against giving up their leverage by locking themselves into multi-fight promotional contracts and all the network entanglements that come with it does not equate to 'stealing' fighters.

[joseph5620]

I don't mind Haymon one bit, I'm just not blinded enough to block out his weaknesses in this sport, or the fact that he first ripped off hbo and there subscribers, than ripped off Showtime and there subscribers, and now is ripping off his investors.

Not to mention he's been stealing fighters from promoters since getting in this sport, and quite possibly has been breaking laws while doing it.

And I don't hate black people, just the really ignorant ****** ones.

"he black though, real talk yo, real talk yo, they just mad cuz they racist yo, nah I mean?"

**** outta here with that bull****. Too ****** to come up with intelligent arguments so you run to the race card. As my best friend who's black always says, "we don't like them ignorant *****s either."

Why are you concerned with how HBO, Showtime, or investors that don't even know you exist spend their money? Just come out with the true reasons behind your dislike for Haymon. Because your excuses are pathetic.

[Eff Pandas]

The PBC thing is destined to fail, it does not add up at all. It's success is build on the notion of burning through millions of dollars to reach the end game of driving Top Rank, Golden Boy and HBO (and now add ROC) out. It's not going to happen.

PBC is definitely a risky proposition. No doubt about that. It 100% could & might fail although I wouldn't say its a forgone conclusion.

You don't believe there is enough money in boxing for one critical mass of elite fighters being backed by one league-like entity to be able to pay those elite fighters $1M-$6M per card (which I believe has been the range for most of the full PBC cards thus far)?

From my understanding the UFC is getting $90M for 4 shows a year ($22.5M per card). The NHL gets about $200M for showing about 100 games (ie $2M a game). If those sports, which seem to be in the ratings range of boxing typically, are getting that much I'd assume the PBC can parlay a similar deal at some point once there is a more league-like format in boxing. Creating that critical mass of elite fighters is the biggest hurdle for PBC & perhaps impossible to accomplish, but you don't get anywhere not trying to make **** happen.