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  • Al Haymon (my non-racial criticism)

    YES I'M AWARE THAT IT'S A PRETTY LONG POST
    There was an article recently saying Al Haymon only disliked due to racism. I wanted to outline why I am critical of Al Haymon and how it doesn't have to do with race.

    I'll start with what I like about him.
    1. He brings tons more boxing to television. Which I love.
    That's it. That is the list. There's not much that I really like about him other than that.

    I hear other people say they love Haymon because of a few reasons:
    He wants to bring boxing back to mainstream. Yes, I can see wanting boxing to become big so we continue getting the volume of boxing we are getting but other than that, I don't care if the masses watch boxing. If more people start watching then great but I was fine with boxing for many many years without appealing to casuals, I will continue to be just fine without them.

    Free Boxing. Again, I don't care. I have HBO and SHO, I'm fine with boxing being on those two channels. In fact, when I hear a show is on a different channel its actually worse. I don't like the production on the network and basic cable channels and I don't like commercials. I'm not against free boxing, I'm sure not everyone has HBO and SHO but I'm also not going to sit here and praise him for giving me a product that I enjoy less.

    He pays his fighters. Again, I just don't care. I'm all for guys making money in their life. However, I don't want guys making a-level money to fight c-level guys. It takes away the incentive to fight real fights. Quillin was recently asked when he is going to fight GGG and his response is he's good he's fighting on free tv for big money. I guarantee that if he wasn't making good money he would be a lot hungrier to get in with the top names.

    He makes good fights. This one I do care about, very much. The thing is I just don't really agree with it. He has some of the most exciting fighters in the world yet I'm consistently let down when their opponents are picked.

    What I dislike about him:

    1. First is what I mentioned above about how he has essentially created a culture of low risk high reward (as in inflated purses not greater glory) fighters.
    2. He is largely responsible for the current boxing political landscape. His fighters can't fight on HBO because he screwed them, can't fight TR fighters bc he won't do business with them, can't fight GB fighter's bc him and Schaefer screwed them, can't fight Roc Nation fighters and tried to block them from the business due to old fueds. And before the current landscape he got GB banned from HBO and him and Schaefer were responsible for the GB and TR cold war.
    3. He completely threw away an entire year of boxing. His fighters were not in one competitive fight all year unless it was a mandatory in all of 2014. They set an absolutely new low for boxing in 2014.
    4. Lastly is that I don't like what he seems to be aiming for. He is trying to set up his own league of boxing (or set up a monopoly). That just brings more walls and barriers in the way of making the best possible fights and that is the last thing we need in the sport.

  • #2
    I love Uncle Al. He is doing a great job.

    I've seen people on here compare all to Arum,Don King,and the devil. Yes I've actually seen that.

    Don King and Bob Arum are two evil racist turds who **** people over.

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    • #3
      Boxing politics were around before Al Haymon. Showtime vs HBO was around before Al Haymon. Building up fighters through selective matchmaking was around before Al Haymon (see Golovkin.)

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      • #4
        There's good sides and bad sides.

        What I'm really curious About is how the sport will operate with so few "local" promoters building talent on there cards. There's no reward for those promoters anymore, since Haymon will just end up taking there fighters or locking them out of tv deals.

        For whatever good Haymon has done, no one can deny, he hasn't developed one star from scratch yet. None, over 10 years in this industry, no stars. Don't forget, top rank developed Floyd.

        This sport rides and dies with it's stars, and I don't trust Haymon to build them. Heck, look at Chavez since hen got him, from HBO ratings star to complete bum, he ruined what too rank protected and built for years in one fight.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SouthPawHitman View Post
          I love Uncle Al. He is doing a great job.

          I've seen people on here compare all to Arum,Don King,and the devil. Yes I've actually seen that.

          Don King and Bob Arum are two evil racist turds who **** people over.
          You guys are too ****** to realize that when Haymon was putting all those bad fights on Showtime last year, he was ripping YOU off.

          You pay for Showtime, that was your money he paid Danny Garcia to fight Salka with. Look at last years Showtime lineup, complete garbage, you paid for it.

          "Oh but he black, so is ok, when Floyd get paid, it be like, we all get paid."

          Dumb mother ****ers.

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          • #6
            In today's world, you criticize a black person, you're viewed as a racist.

            I kinda want Haymon to succeed but not if he keeps putting predictable matches over n over.

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            • #7
              Well, there are 2 Hymen cards on TV today so I'm cool with that. I don't see him being able to give enough air time to all the boxers that he has but that's his problem or whatever.

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              • #8
                I agree with everything in that first post. We're on the same page when it comes to Haymon. Your first two points in regards to why you don't like him are the biggest to me, especially the 2nd. I feel that he is the key figure in today's boxing "cold war(s)". I'm not a big fan of someone like Bob Arum either, but he is a better matchmaker, and someone who is willing to work with guys that he may not like all that much.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
                  Boxing politics were around before Al Haymon. Showtime vs HBO was around before Al Haymon. Building up fighters through selective matchmaking was around before Al Haymon (see Golovkin.)
                  1. I never said he invented boxing politics, but I layed out exactly what he contributed. 2. I never said HBO vs SHO. That's competition not politics. 3. I didn't say anything about building guys, I said top guys getting top money should fight other top guys 4. Saying it was around before Al (see Golovkin) makes no sense since Al was around before Golovkin. Second, this hasn't less than nothing to do with Golovkin. Third, being asked to leave your division for a fight doesn't constitute being selectively matched. This is the only fighter people say this about. Other than that he's agreed to fight anyone in his actual division. Politics have been the issue with that.

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                  • #10
                    I want see MORE A guy vs A guy , B guy vs B guy more on tv , 89% of boxing matches on tv in the US are mismatches (That not only Haymon , that every network and promoter)

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