Comments Thread For: Pavlik Says Cotto Too Small, Golovkin-Canelo is The Fight

[PeasantCrusha]

To me, Martinez was never a natural middleweight. His SHOT just happen to come at middleweight and he took it, and made the most of it. Props to him for that.

As for the "astute" fan stuff, OK. I think a healthy Sergio Martinez can have success doing many of the same things Austin Trout did against Cotto.

The Cotto that showed up for Trout, was vastly inferior to the Cotto that fought Sergio. Cotto was thinking of Trout as a walk-through.

[PeasantCrusha]

If Canelo flattened down his back combed, bouffant hair he would be the same height as Floyd, maybe even a little shorter.

Canelo is bigger than Cotto and Floyd regardless of height.

[alexKO]

Canelo's spent the majority of his career at 147 also, what the ****?

How can Canelo be the legitimate 154 champion when the only belt he won at 154 was the "b*tch" version of the WBC belt? Floyd had the real WBC belt and Trout had the "normal" one which he won with open scoring in Texas. That's not legitimate in anyway lmfao. Cotto was the man at 140, the man at 147, the man at 154 and the man 160. Canelo has only been the man at 155.

GGG beating Canelo is like beating himself. A guy with 1 or 2 good wins and a whole bunch of hype. The difference is GGG hasn't struggled with anyone and Canelo struggles against any who even remotely boxes. But, feel free to fall into the hype train again it'll make that much better when it derails again.

Canelo hasn't fought at welterweight since 2010!

As for Cotto being 'the man' at 140, 147, 154 and 160, I've never seen more misinformed comment in my life. He was 'the man' at 140 and 147 for a period of time, but he took ruthless beatdowns from Margarito and Pacquiao, both at 147.

154?! 2 L's to Trout and Mayweather.

160? Not one victory at the full limit aside from a one-legged 40-year-old.

Hardly 'the man' is he?

Anyone who writes with terms such as 'lmfao' cannot be taken seriously - you haven't done much to change that.

[kafkod]

you sound like a fan boy! Ward hasn't earned the right to fight GGG yet???? so being a Olympic Gold medalist(the last one for the US) cleaning out HIS DIVISION! winning the super 6 makes him not worthy of fighting a 160 pounder who has only faced 2 ex champs???? when ward jumps inside GGG's chest and he has no answers because he has not fought anyone of note that can challenge him, then maybe you will go away, people like you talk too much and say nothing! then you drag a 147 pounder into the equation and say GGG easily beats him because he can cut the ring off???? Beat it with your limited knowledge, get off the bandwagon and watch other fighters do their thing, you might learn something! by the way Smith has fought for the 168 pound strap twice during the time Ward was inactive, so how many tomato cans fight for a title 2x's in 1 year - anyone ca have their knees buckled, what happens when GGG gets his??? who knows because it hasn't happened yet, at least with Ward we know he will still get the job done, remember Bute? didn't fight anyone, avoided the super 6 and the runner up from the super 6(froch) beat him from pillar to post, because he hadn't been in there with an elite fighter sounds similar to GGG, when he gets hurt, can he clinh? hold on ? see you learn these things when you are moving up so when you fight real opposition, its nothing new - questions will be answered soon about your lover - the good boy

GGG had 350 amateur fights, losing only 5. He won an olympic silver medal and the amateur world championships. Has never been dropped or stopped once, amateur or pro.

You don't compile stats like that as an amateur then go on to the kind of success GGG has achieved in his pro career so far - fighting mostly away from home - without knowing how to look after yourself against top opponents.

[alexKO]

you sound like a fan boy! Ward hasn't earned the right to fight GGG yet???? so being a Olympic Gold medalist(the last one for the US) cleaning out HIS DIVISION! winning the super 6 makes him not worthy of fighting a 160 pounder who has only faced 2 ex champs???? when ward jumps inside GGG's chest and he has no answers because he has not fought anyone of note that can challenge him, then maybe you will go away, people like you talk too much and say nothing! then you drag a 147 pounder into the equation and say GGG easily beats him because he can cut the ring off???? Beat it with your limited knowledge, get off the bandwagon and watch other fighters do their thing, you might learn something! by the way Smith has fought for the 168 pound strap twice during the time Ward was inactive, so how many tomato cans fight for a title 2x's in 1 year - anyone ca have their knees buckled, what happens when GGG gets his??? who knows because it hasn't happened yet, at least with Ward we know he will still get the job done, remember Bute? didn't fight anyone, avoided the super 6 and the runner up from the super 6(froch) beat him from pillar to post, because he hadn't been in there with an elite fighter sounds similar to GGG, when he gets hurt, can he clinh? hold on ? see you learn these things when you are moving up so when you fight real opposition, its nothing new - questions will be answered soon about your lover - the good boy

How on earth can you compare GGG to Bute? Bute? For a start, he stopped Bute at the 2003 World Champs. Bute was hurt on several occasions prior to the Froch fight, most notably Andrade who had him out on his feet. Funnily enough this 'experience on the way up' didn't help against Froch, it just indicated he wasn't very durable - something Froch confirmed.

GGG has never been in trouble as a pro and although I think Ward would be favourite to outbox him, I doubt he'd hurt him.

[Beater_of_ass]

Canelo hasn't fought at welterweight since 2010!

As for Cotto being 'the man' at 140, 147, 154 and 160, I've never seen more misinformed comment in my life. He was 'the man' at 140 and 147 for a period of time, but he took ruthless beatdowns from Margarito and Pacquiao, both at 147.

154?! 2 L's to Trout and Mayweather.

160? Not one victory at the full limit aside from a one-legged 40-year-old.

Hardly 'the man' is he?

Anyone who writes with terms such as 'lmfao' cannot be taken seriously - you haven't done much to change that.

You're counting years, I'm counting number of fights. I think he's fought more at WW, but really who cares. You're an idiot.

Canelo lost to Floyd too, and it was Floyd easiest fight in his career, Cotto was his toughest. By Floyd's own admission, it's on video go watch. He didn't do well against Trout but Canelo didn't do much better lol and since then, one guy has gotten visibly better and it isn't Canelo.

Why are you ****ting on Cotto wins at MW? Canelo fighting at 155 qualifies him as a MW. Cotto's faced 2 MW's while Canelo has yet to face one. It doesn't matter what weight Cotto has fought them at, he's fought 2 MW's in the MW division. Canelo has yet to do even do that once.

[alexKO]

You're counting years, I'm counting number of fights. I think he's fought more at WW, but really who cares. You're an idiot.

Canelo lost to Floyd too, and it was Floyd easiest fight in his career, Cotto was his toughest. By Floyd's own admission, it's on video go watch. He didn't do well against Trout but Canelo didn't do much better lol and since then, one guy has gotten visibly better and it isn't Canelo.

Why are you ****ting on Cotto wins at MW? Canelo fighting at 155 qualifies him as a MW. Cotto's faced 2 MW's while Canelo has yet to face one. It doesn't matter what weight Cotto has fought them at, he's fought 2 MW's in the MW division. Canelo has yet to do even do that once.

"You're an idiot" and "LOL" further reinforce my comment re being unable to respect your opinion.

Anyone who believe Cotto has/is 'the man' at 160 is delusional. Even without the Floyd fights, he got outboxed by Trout at 154 and his best win at middleweight is a catchweight fight against a one-legged 40-year-old.

I actually like Cotto. I just dislike fanboys who are blinded by their fanatacism and can't look at the cold, hard facts: 2 knockout defeats at 147, 2 losses at 154 and a victory over a shot Martinez at 160.

As for Cotto being Floyd's toughest fight, I'd take his words with a pinch of salt. Maidana, Castillo and De La Hoya certainly looked tougher to me.

[Beater_of_ass]

"You're an idiot" and "LOL" further reinforce my comment re being unable to respect your opinion.

Anyone who believe Cotto has/is 'the man' at 160 is delusional. Even without the Floyd fights, he got outboxed by Trout at 154 and his best win at middleweight is a catchweight fight against a one-legged 40-year-old.

I actually like Cotto. I just dislike fanboys who are blinded by their fanatacism and can't look at the cold, hard facts: 2 knockout defeats at 147, 2 losses at 154 and a victory over a shot Martinez at 160.

As for Cotto being Floyd's toughest fight, I'd take his words with a pinch of salt. Maidana, Castillo and De La Hoya certainly looked tougher to me.

Also known as the lineal MW champion. ****ing L O L!!

He lost twice at 147, one to Margarito which he avenged and the other to 2nd best figher on the planet at the time. He lost to Floyd, yes, in his toughest fight of his career. I'm supposed to take your word about who was tougher instead of the guy actually in the ring? ****ing L O L!!! Again.

Why would I care if you like Cotto or not. The fact is he is the better than Canelo because of what he did against Floyd. Canelo won 1 or 2 more rounds against Trout than Cotto did, that's really not a big deal. Against Floyd Cotto won 4 or 5 rounds more than Canelo and each one was close and competitive except he final two. You can't even say about one round for Canelo. You can't really **** on the Martinez win no matter how hard you try.

Cotto beat a champion above 154, Canelo has yet to do that but you're calling Cotto fans delusional? You think beating Lara, is better than beating Sergio Martinez? It's obvious you're just a new fan to boxing and that's fine, your ignorance will be gone soon enough and you'll Canelo be exposed yet again while underestimating Cotto. But really, talk about the MW when your favorite fighter fights a MW, mmkay?

[hitking]

The Cotto that showed up for Trout, was vastly inferior to the Cotto that fought Sergio. Cotto was thinking of Trout as a walk-through.

Who's fault is that?

[alexKO]

Also known as the lineal MW champion. ****ing L O L!!

He lost twice at 147, one to Margarito which he avenged and the other to 2nd best figher on the planet at the time. He lost to Floyd, yes, in his toughest fight of his career. I'm supposed to take your word about who was tougher instead of the guy actually in the ring? ****ing L O L!!! Again.

Why would I care if you like Cotto or not. The fact is he is the better than Canelo because of what he did against Floyd. Canelo won 1 or 2 more rounds against Trout than Cotto did, that's really not a big deal. Against Floyd Cotto won 4 or 5 rounds more than Canelo and each one was close and competitive except he final two. You can't even say about one round for Canelo. You can't really **** on the Martinez win no matter how hard you try.

Cotto beat a champion above 154, Canelo has yet to do that but you're calling Cotto fans delusional? You think beating Lara, is better than beating Sergio Martinez? It's obvious you're just a new fan to boxing and that's fine, your ignorance will be gone soon enough and you'll Canelo be exposed yet again while underestimating Cotto. But really, talk about the MW when your favorite fighter fights a MW, mmkay?

There are so many holes in this post, I don't even know where to start. Lets go through your post piece by piece.

"Lineal MW champion" is a term that can be used loosely. Martinez was beaten by Murray 14 months earlier and gifted a decision. He then had reconstructive knee surgery and came back as a washed up 40-year-old to collect his pension. Truth be told, he'd been declining for quite a few years as he struggled with the likes of Barker.

If he lost to Pacquiao and Margarito at 147, do you accept he wasn't "the man"? I'm going off what I see and what the judges saw, not what Floyd says. Floyd, as well as a lot of other fighters regularly contradict themselves and often say people were 'tpugh' out of respect.

So now onto Cotto being better than Canelo because he performed better against Floyd. New to boxing you say? Well anyone with a shred of knowledge will tell you styles make fights and A>B>C just doesn't apply to boxing. Is George Groves better than Andre Ward because he knocked Paul Smith out faster?

Is he f**k.

You really are clutching at straws when you're talking about a few rounds against common opponents. And what's even more hilarious is that (ignoring the freak 114-114 card), the judges actually had the Canelo-Floyd fight slightly closer! Not that it was, but Canelo won at least 1 round and to say Cotto won 4 or 5 more implies he deserved a draw against Floyd? Is that what you're saying?

FYI, I can, and have, shat all over that 'Martinez' victory. I use inverted commas as the only thing that resembled Martinez in that ring, and in the Murray fight, was his physical appearance.

Finally Canelo isn't even close to being my favourite fighter -he's had a few oddgy wins including Lara and Trout. But the versions of Lara and Trout he beat were certainly better opponents than a disabled Sergio Martinez.

Anyone with a brain knows the real MW champion is GGG and he'd absolutely obliterate Cotto a la Margarito I, but in a faster, more barbaric fashion.