But Cotto lives too far away?

[boliodogs]

Floyd did fight Cotto eventually though and he fought Cotto at Cotto's weight of 154. I don't think there was any point in time when Mayweather would not beat Cotto at any weight Cotto wanted to fight at. Mayweather should have shown Canelo the same courtesy and fought Canelo at 154. Now that Mayweather's age is starting to show and Cotto is looking so good with Roach, Cotto might beat Mayweather at 154. But Cotto is fighting Canelo and Mayweather shouldn't have to beat Cotto twice.

[daggum]

Watch the Gatti fight. Cotto was ringside as there was a potential matchup with Floyd. Cotto didnt want none of mayweather after that fight.

Cotto came up again right before Mayweather left Top Rank. Mayweather was to fight Margo for $8 million and then Cotto after. Mayweather demanded $10 million and Arum refused. Floyd bought out of his Top Rank contract for 300k and fought DLH for over $20 million.

Obviously Arum has been pissed with him ever since. Mayweather fought Cotto literally the first time he was available after his contract with TR ran out and was a free agent.

Saying Mayweather ducked Margo is a joke when he fought DLH at 154 instead who is a bigger challenge.

Saying he ducked Cotto is a joke because they talked about that fight in 2005 at 140 and cotto "wasnt ready" yet. Mayweather fought him as soon as he was a free agent and made him do the funky chicken dance in the 12th.

mayweather's guarantee for hoya was 10 million. mayweather asked for a 10 million guarantee to fight cotto who was still at 140. it's called pricing yourself out.

sorry boxing doesn't work that way. they have different styles. also one guy was way past it and the other was in his prime. oh yeah mayweather turning down 7 million and taking 4 million to fight sharmba kinda looks like a duck. then he fought zab for 5 when zab just lost to a bum. was zab some kinda ppv star and a popular mexican wasn't? why does floyd fight on mexican holidays and tries to handpick mexican fighters? he knows they draw but maybe he didn't know that back then? maybe he thought zab and baldomir would be huge ppvs?

[CANELOLUJAH]

Mayweather ducked a prime everyone.

[arraamis]

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[Dirk Diggler UK]

Can someone explain how one fighter can be in his prime and another can't or wouldn't have been.

Here's where I'm going with this .... Examples:

Floyd avoided Manny while he was in his prime.
Floyd: 1977-02-24
Manny: 1978-12-17

So based on birth dates, no matter when they fought Floyd would have still been a year older than Manny. And if Manny was in his prime, then Floyd would have been in his prime as well.


Floyd avoided Cotto while he was in his prime.
Floyd: 1977-02-24
Cotto: 1980-10-29

Again, based on birth dates, no matter when they fought Floyd would have still been older than Cotto. And if Cotto was in his prime, then Floyd would have still been in his prime as well.

*******

So, can someone explain the logic behind those statements (I won't insult here) that one fighter can be in his prime, while the other fighter wouldn't have been, especially since their ages are so close. If either Manny or Cotto fought the younger version of Floyd that was torching his opponents, how would they have fared better, when they still got beat soundly by the old Floyd?

I mean, it sounds kind of ridiculous when someone makes these statements that obviously defy logic.

Prime isn't simply about age. Cotto had taken two savage beatings before Mayweather eventually fought him.

[daggum]

Can someone explain how one fighter can be in his prime and another can't or wouldn't have been.

Here's where I'm going with this .... Examples:

Floyd avoided Manny while he was in his prime.
Floyd: 1977-02-24
Manny: 1978-12-17

So based on birth dates, no matter when they fought Floyd would have still been a year older than Manny. And if Manny was in his prime, then Floyd would have been in his prime as well.


Floyd avoided Cotto while he was in his prime.
Floyd: 1977-02-24
Cotto: 1980-10-29

Again, based on birth dates, no matter when they fought Floyd would have still been older than Cotto. And if Cotto was in his prime, then Floyd would have still been in his prime as well.

*******

So, can someone explain the logic behind those statements (I won't insult here) that one fighter can be in his prime, while the other fighter wouldn't have been, especially since their ages are so close. If either Manny or Cotto fought the younger version of Floyd that was torching his opponents, how would they have fared better, when they still got beat soundly by the old Floyd?

I mean, it sounds kind of ridiculous when someone makes these statements that obviously defy logic.

prime is not determined by birth date. guys like pac and hatton have explosive styles so they burn out quicker. guys like floyd and hopkins have better fundamentals so they age better. an explosive fighter can overpower a guy with better fundamentals so yes they would have had a better chance to beat a younger floyd. younger floyd was struggling with zab and hoyas explosiveness. if he had waited 5 more years to fight zab and hoya i'm sure he would have beaten them easier than he did. yes floyd wouldn't be as good but they would have declined much more than floyd. that's the case with floyd-pac and cotto-pac. cotto had been badly beaten up twice and lost his killer instinct. he was now boxing more instead of hunting which was better for floyd's style. pac had also developed into a more traditional hit and move boxer after being ko'd and that plays into floyd's style.

[Slyboots]

Mayweather ducked a prime everyone.

You're right.

Except canelo, who he handled easily.

[Mr.Fantastic]

You're right.

Except canelo, who he handled easily.

At a catch weight. He also handed Cotto easy, just a lot more exciting.

[Don Pichardo]

Even with Mayweather not necessarily fighting guys at their very best, his resume is hard to completely discredit. Not TBE, but still an ATG.

The more I think of it though, the more OK I am with the idea of a Mayweather/Cotto rematch. The timing is awkward though with the Canelo fight being in Nov and May's last fight being in September.

Thanks for the breath of fresh air. I greent u up for the good analysis of the situation.

[Larry the boss]

Floyd "retired" after he knocked out Hatton and Cotto beat Mosley in 2007. That fight would have been huge at that time. Big money too. Both undefeated and prime. Both big draws. Instead Cotto went on to go though a war with Margarito, fought Clottey with 1 eye, punished by prime MONSTER Pacquiao.

Yea he did retire but i doubt it was due to any fighter,he had just made the most money he had ever seen from Hatton and Oscar and lost his mind,went on a spending spree and had to come back less then 2 years later