My P4P top 10 list

[b00g13man]

Started off well then went steadily downhill. DeGale, Walters, Povetkin & Wilder shouldn't be anywhere near a top 10 p4p list.

[bigjavi973]

Froch would belong on my list if he wasn't as good as retired. Rigondeaux is completely shot now and his old glassjaw will crack soon, his resume just won't improve and Walters did better against Donaire. Canelo is okay but a hypejob, he lost to Mayweather, Trout and Lara. Golovkin does not have even 1 win on par with Stiverne yet and if Golovkin was black and Wilder was white, their positions would be reversed. I agree with you that Gonzalez is very underrated, though, and when thinking about it, yes, I should probably place him above Wilder as number 10 on my list, making Wilder 11 and Golovkin number 12.

Isn't stivernes best win Chris Crapreola???

[Rokozoko]

No way that from this heavyweight division 3 guys are deserved to be in the P4P top 10 list. With that you basically imply that HW is the best weight class next to welter which would e ridiculous. HW is getting stronger nowadays in my opinion but sill just a mediocre weight class. Only Wlad deserves to be on this list, Povetkin and Wilder not. Wilder's one single good win is Stiverne, Povetkin's two more decent wins are Perez and Takam but both have lesser resume than Canelo for example or maybe I can add Crawford too.
Rigondeaux deserves to be on that list and I don't know how you forgot Roman Gonzalez too. Estrada is making a case too.
Some poeple will disagree with you don't put Golovkin on there but with that I actually agree. You aren't in P4P top 10 when your best win is Murray regardless of why is he your best opponent up to date. You have to prove in a real fight not in fantasy fights and period.
May people will disagree with Degale but I think he is making a case just with his win over Dirrell. His resume got better only with that win than many of the active fighters' today.

I respect your answer, because you're obviously a fair guy and as I admitted earlier in the thread, yeah, Gonzales should be number 10, not Wilder. I am willing to face my errors. But who do you consider to be better than Povetkin, P4P? Hopefully not Canelo and Cotto, lol? As for Estrada, I won't even bother answering to that. But as I said, respect to you, you try to be fair.

[HEND]

And yet you know perfectly well why Golovkin doesn't have a better resume. Not his fault Martinez, Cotto, N'Dam, Lemieux, Pirog, Chavez, Froch haven't fought him.

From those names only 4 would do anything for his resume, Lemieux, N'dam and Chavez Jr. wouldn't but that's not the point.
I also don't want to tur this thread into a Golovkin vs Ward flame war, only thing what I want to say that eve if his level of competition isn't his fault it still won't make his resume better. It sucks but that's the reality.
I know why Golovkin fans are angry, I'm also angry sometimes as a Rigo fan because nobody wants to fight him and they try to ignore that he holds two belts but it is what it is. Rigo's only luck that he could prove himself on elite level before everybody started to ignore him so I can include him on my P4P list too.

[Rokozoko]

Isn't stivernes best win Chris Crapreola???

Who is Golovkin's best win? Does Golovkin have one win on par with Stiverne? I can't think of any. Any list with Golovkin above Wilder got a tad of racism to it and I don't think race should play a role on a P4P list. Wilder got the better KO percentage, better speed, is younger, got better size (weight class considered) and a better signature win.

[HEND]

I respect your answer, because you're obviously a fair guy and as I admitted earlier in the thread, yeah, Gonzales should be number 10, not Wilder. I am willing to face my errors. But who do you consider to be better than Povetkin, P4P? Hopefully not Canelo and Cotto, lol? As for Estrada, I won't even bother answering to that. But as I said, respect to you, you try to be fair.

Umm, yes Canelo?
Canelo beat Lara and Trout and losing to Mayweather did nothing to his resume in my opinion since he lost to the #1 who was and is anyways number one. You're not expected to win but you are still downgraded based on the loss? Not logical, not at all. From the same reason I didn't understand why some "media" and people downgraded Pac on the P4P lists after he lost to Mayweather.
Wins over Lara and Trout are better than wins over Perez or Takam, period.
Why you don't answer to Estrade? He holds two belts in his weight class.

[ИATAS]

Who is Golovkin's best win? Does Golovkin have one win on par with Stiverne? I can't think of any. Any list with Golovkin above Wilder got a tad of racism to it and I don't think race should play a role on a P4P list. Wilder got the better KO percentage, better speed, is younger, got better size (weight class considered) and a better signature win.

Murray/Geale are easily on par of Stiverne, who's a fat lazy bum. Regardless that's beside the point. The argument was never that Golovkin deserves to be on the list, the argument is that Wilder should be no where near a top 10 list and him being top 10 is an absolute joke. If there comes a point when Golovkin is getting rocked and looking like garbage against a used car salesman, you'd have a point though.

[Rokozoko]

Umm, yes Canelo?
Canelo beat Lara and Trout and losing to Mayweather did nothing to his resume in my opinion since he lost to the #1 who was and is anyways number one. You're not expected to win but you are still downgraded based on the loss? Not logical, not at all. From the same reason I didn't understand why some "media" and people downgraded Pac on the P4P lists after he lost to Mayweather.
Wins over Lara and Trout are better than wins over Perez or Takam, period.
Why you don't answer to Estrade? He holds two belts in his weight class.

Did you even watch Canelo's fights against Trout and Lara? Canelo got schooled in competive fights. He got 3 losses.

[bigjavi973]

My Top 10:
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Roman Gonzalez
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Guillermo Rigondeaux
6. Sergey Kovalev
7. Gennady G. Golovkin
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Danny Garcia
10. Canelo Alvarez

[HEND]

Did you even watch Canelo's fights against Trout and Lara? Canelo got schooled in competive fights. He got 3 losses.

First off: You can't call it "schooling" if you say that they were competitive.
Second: Yes I actually watched them and on my scorecards Canelo won both of them on close fights.
A few guys are crying all the time about Lara got robbed. But as I said it can't be a robbery if the fight was close which it was and the majority of boxing media and fans thought that Canelo won it, when I read opinions about it.