Ward on BET gets 325K viewers

[Mr.Fantastic]

That's exactly right. I like GGG. I like his take no prisoners, come forward fighting style, but some of these GGG fans, dare I say, are a tad bit worse than pacquiao fans.

Typical stan. Cotto's fanbase has gotten worse than the Pac stans. Stop being blind!!

[icha]

Those amounts are not financially viable as far as the fighters are concerned. Why would Ward fight Golovkin for $2 million when he can fight Smith on BET for the same money? Why should GGG fight Ward for that amount when he can fight Lee or Lemieux soon for the same or more?

Ward's viewer numbers do not deserve a purse of $2 million. They do not deserve a purse of 500k for that matter. They certainly do not instill confidence in HBO that he could deliver high numbers for either a regular broadcast or a PPV.

I think my point was made quite solidly.

i agree that ward doesnt deserve that kind of money, neither lara deserved 1+ mill when he fought canelo, but again those are the kind of fights that need to be made every now and then, high risk low reward... if ggg is not willing to take a low purse to fight ward and instead rather fight tureano for the same amount or a bit more then so be it, but lets call it like it is.. is not like they cant pay ward, more like ward doesnt bring enough money...

[Barcham]

What I'm saying is that I highly doubt BET put up more money than HBO. Roc Nation would have to make up the difference by paying the vast majority of the purse out of pocket eitherway. Ward would have still brought decent ratings to HBO had HBO paid whatever amount BET paid for the fight. All I can think of is that Roc Nation wants to start his own thing outside of HBO like Haymon, and turned down the HBO offer thinking it would pay off in the long run.

BET paid nothing for this fight. It was a time buy and Roc Nation covered all the expenses. It was all over the Net months ago that both HBO and Showtime turned down Ward and his tune up fights. Just do a Google search for the details if you want.

You sound very sure of that. Link & quote, please.

So you want GGG to fight a "weight drained" Ward??? I thought you didn't like catchweights and what not?

Not a catchweight. It is GGG's natural division. Why should he be the one to move to another division if the money will be the same? I did not suggest a catchweight at 164 or something and I never would. Either GGG fights at 168 on a PPV or Ward comes down to 160.

I prefer to see GGG unify the titles at MW and Ward to do the same at SMW and THEN you have a great PPV that will promote itself. What is the rush? Or do you not think that Ward can unify all the titles at 168?

[Barcham]

i agree that ward doesnt deserve that kind of money, neither lara deserved 1+ mill when he fought canelo, but again those are the kind of fights that need to be made every now and then, high risk low reward... if ggg is not willing to take a low purse to fight ward and instead rather fight tureano for the same amount or a bit more then so be it, but lets call it like it is.. is not like they cant pay ward, more like ward doesnt bring enough money...

There is NO LOGICAL REASON for GGG to take this fight if it is not a PPV. NONE AT ALL. Why do people insist on ignoring what Golovkin and his team have been saying for over two years? THAT HE WILL ONLY CHANGE DIVISIONS FOR A PPV FIGHT! Is that so difficult to understand or to accept? It would be an absolutely ****** move to make. Why put your career at risk for the same money you can make fighting anyone at your own weight class?

Have a bit of respect for the goals a fighter sets himself and makes public to fans of the sport. Let GGG unify the division and THEN he can move up permanently and fight Ward whether on PPV or not. But until then, it will be PPV or nothing and people should stop bitching about it.

Anyways, I'm done repeating myself in almost every post for people who cannot be bothered to actually read the ****ing thread and who continue to spew the same crap in every thread they post in.

[kiaba360]

“Roc Nations Sports” 323K on BET Saturday night from 10p-midnight. “Golden Boy on FOX” 163K on FS2 from 10p-12:22a https://t.co/ZvKR1pMMg7

— Sports TV Ratings (@SportsTVRatings) June 23, 2015

GB dropped the ball not securing any tv until 2 weeks before the fight and then being stuck with FS2, which many people don't have. Also hearing the ticket sales weren't as good as I initially heard - only about 5,000 and Canadian ppv might not have been so hot either.

I wonder how they managed to drop the ball so badly with such a good match-up that turned out to be an entertaining fight.

[icha]

There is NO LOGICAL REASON for GGG to take this fight if it is not a PPV. NONE AT ALL. Why do people insist on ignoring what Golovkin and his team have been saying for over two years? THAT HE WILL ONLY CHANGE DIVISIONS FOR A PPV FIGHT! Is that so difficult to understand or to accept? It would be an absolutely ****** move to make. Why put your career at risk for the same money you can make fighting anyone at your own weight class?

Have a bit of respect for the goals a fighter sets himself and makes public to fans of the sport. Let GGG unify the division and THEN he can move up permanently and fight Ward whether on PPV or not. But until then, it will be PPV or nothing and people should stop bitching about it.

Anyways, I'm done repeating myself in almost every post for people who cannot be bothered to actually read the ****ing thread and who continue to spew the same crap in every thread they post in.

chill out dude, first this thread is not about ggg trying to unify or take risks on different divisions, this is about ward not being a draw which we all know, thats the reason i asked you "what point are you trying to make?", so you bring stuff like hbo cant pay for ggg-ward, i have a different opinion on that regard...you even said canelo cant sell ppvs on his own, i gave you some numbers that prove other ways and you didnt even replied that post...
but if you want to stop it right here, then fine, its either that or i might end up in your ignore list...

[Barcham]

chill out dude, first this thread is not about ggg trying to unify or take risks on different divisions, this is about ward not being a draw which we all know, thats the reason i asked you "what point are you trying to make?", so you bring stuff like hbo cant pay for ggg-ward, i have a different opinion on that regard...you even said canelo cant sell ppvs on his own, i gave you some numbers that prove other ways and you didnt even replied that post...
but if you want to stop it right here, then fine, its either that or i might end up in your ignore list...

Only idiots end up on my ignore list. You are not an idiot. But there are enough of them posting the same typical crap in this thread that they post in each and every thread where GGG's name comes up that it gets under my skin and I go off on everyone.

The point I want to make is that Ward is not a draw and there is no money in a Ward - GGG fight as things currently stand. Things just spiralled out from there with the invasion of the Cottoturds.

I also wish people would respect GGG's statement that he will only move divisions for a PPV fight. That is quite self explanatory. This makes it pointless to even bother discussing whether 4 million or 6 million or whatever number you wish to pick is enough for a regular broadcast fight. This fight will not happen unless it is PPV. Unless GGG moves to SMW permanently and this simply becomes another division contest. People have no choice but to accept that. They do not have to like it, but it is what it is.

OK, fine, you proved that Canelo can sell a minor PPV on his own. No problem. Canelo has a HUGE built in audience. There are more illegal Mexicans living in Texas than there are Kazakhs living in the entire Western Hemisphere. GGG does not have that benefit of a built in fan base. He is not currently a PPV draw and no one has claimed that he is. Ward is also not a PPV draw and the two of them together at this point in time are still not a PPV draw.

So to recap... Ward cannot draw scavengers to a rotting corpse. Neither Ward nor GGG are a PPV draw, not even together. A Ward - GGG fight must be PPV or it does not happen and currently it is not a PPV. People should accept the fact that GGG will not change divisions for anything other than a PPV fight.

Did I miss anything?

[MarsinLeo]

The majority of the GGG fans on this specific forum unfortunately seem to be extremely biased. That's not a good look.

How are any of the GGG fans going to disrespect Andre Ward as if Ward has the pedigree of Errol Spence (no disrespect to the Spence fans)? Ward is no up and coming fighter. He's a proven commodity in the sport of boxing.

This man has been ranked as high as #2 on many a pound for pound rankings for years now. When Ward falls off the P4P list it's due to inactivity.

GGG honestly has not proven yet to be a top 10 p4p fighter. Sorry but his opposition at 160 has been mediocre. If a smaller and somewhat shopworn boxer like Miguel Cotto can step up to Middleweight and look just as good as GGG against like opponents then that tells me that the Middleweight division is on the decline.

Ward on the other hand has already defeated a multitude of former and current world champions. He's beaten world champions from other weight classes.

Honestly speaking, GGG has a long way to go before he can be considered in the same class as Andre Ward.

I also find it highly hypocritical that GGG fans have no problem bloviating about GGG's net worth and his HBO numbers. When Mayweather talks like that, he gets criticized beyond belief. When Cotto does it, he gets berated as well.

This is pure hypocrisy. If you're going to criticize Floyd and Cotto for being more businessmen then boxer than give GGG the same flack.

Otherwise, the biased portion of GGG's fan base will deservedly continue to lose credibility and will be viewed as juvenile.

Ward vs GGG has beyond the potential to be a super-fight but it needs to be marketed properly.

They both should fight on the same card and on the same network. The winner can then be hyped and navigated towards Kovalev hopefully sometime in 2017 or '18.

[PAC-BOY]

That is piss poor lol

doesnt Bet have millions of viewers?

Yes but ward couldnt even fill up a Burger King with his fan base! So who the hell wants to watch him.

[icha]

Only idiots end up on my ignore list. You are not an idiot. But there are enough of them posting the same typical crap in this thread that they post in each and every thread where GGG's name comes up that it gets under my skin and I go off on everyone.

The point I want to make is that Ward is not a draw and there is no money in a Ward - GGG fight as things currently stand. Things just spiralled out from there with the invasion of the Cottoturds.

I also wish people would respect GGG's statement that he will only move divisions for a PPV fight. That is quite self explanatory. This makes it pointless to even bother discussing whether 4 million or 6 million or whatever number you wish to pick is enough for a regular broadcast fight. This fight will not happen unless it is PPV. Unless GGG moves to SMW permanently and this simply becomes another division contest. People have no choice but to accept that. They do not have to like it, but it is what it is.

OK, fine, you proved that Canelo can sell a minor PPV on his own. No problem. Canelo has a HUGE built in audience. There are more illegal Mexicans living in Texas than there are Kazakhs living in the entire Western Hemisphere. GGG does not have that benefit of a built in fan base. He is not currently a PPV draw and no one has claimed that he is. Ward is also not a PPV draw and the two of them together at this point in time are still not a PPV draw.

So to recap... Ward cannot draw scavengers to a rotting corpse. Neither Ward nor GGG are a PPV draw, not even together. A Ward - GGG fight must be PPV or it does not happen and currently it is not a PPV. People should accept the fact that GGG will not change divisions for anything other than a PPV fight.

Did I miss anything?

no, most of your points are solid and valid, i only disagree on the point where the fight has to be a ppv, but thats more gggs team point than yours, is like basically give other fighters the reason when they do the same to GGG...
but oh well this sport has never been perfect and sometimes we have to wait more than needed to watch the fights we want...