Ward on BET gets 325K viewers

[NEETzsche]

Look I dont really care what excuses ya fans make. No fucking way will I respect someone who is a "killer" and is always complaining that its hard to get fights, to start using that high risk/low reward scenario bullshit. Fuck that. He hasn't done shit in boxing yet to even be suggested of such a stance.

And I don't even blame GGG. I blame his dumbass trainer sanchez who did the same exact shit with another one of his fighters. They were begging, begging and talking all that shit that no one wants to fight their guy blah blah blah 56 wins with 50 kos blah blah blah... and then his fighter got KTFO

it's not k2 or golovkin who are concerned with the fight's profitability, it's hbo. hbo will simply not put up enough money to get the two fighters in the ring. golovkin already agreed to fight ward once - hbo and ward himself said no. that's the bottom line here. everything else is bull****

[The Big Dunn]

There is no problem with profitability if GGG loses. Ward would also be a HBO fighter by the time the fight would be made and beating GGG would move his viewership numbers way up for future fights. HBO does not lose no matter who wins that fight. And even if GGG loses, he is still a MW champion and his title defense streak remains intact. It has little effect on his MW status continuing.



It was stated by Loeffler in the past that for the Cotto fight, GGG was willing to be the B side and to take minimum dollars and give in to all of Cotto's demands and Cotto still did not get back to them. I am sure that GGG would be willing to accept any reasonable deal for a Ward fight as long as it made it worthwhile to take the risk of moving up a division. Do not forget that all the risk is on Golovkin as he is the one changing divisions, none at all on Ward. If Ward wants the A side money, he can drop down to 160 for the fight.



Ward wanted too much money to fight a tomato can and HBO refused. So did Showtime. They will not pay premium dollars for a tune up fight against an unranked nobody.

Not necessarily Bracham. beating Manny, far more popular than GGG, didn't raise Tim's stock. So please, stop the BS and admit that if GGG loses to Ward it could hurt HBO's long term profitability.

You can't just look at profitability from one vantage point. You made the argument so at least look at it from all perspectives and consider those when looking at why HBO is not keen on this fight.

The risk is on GGG because he has yet to defeat a fighter as accomplished as ward.

[ИATAS]

Golovkin vs Ward is going to happen.

Ward just had his tune up after a very long layoff, he's likely going to have another fight of a lesser opponent (better than Smith though) and Golovkin is still trying to accomplish his goals at 160. GGG was only willing to step away from those goals and temporarily move up to 168 if a big money fight presented itself such as Froch or Chavez. Since those are now gone, he's not going to move up in weight until he's at least collected another belt at 160 and/or fights a big name in cotto/Canelo. Which is fine since Ward announced he's staying at 168 and isn't going anywhere himself.

This means Ward will get another fight or two in, Golovkin will get another fight or two in and they'll come together in 2016. Works better for both parties since they'll likely be a lot more money to split after the fight builds itself.

Ward vs Golovkin will be one of boxings biggest fights next year.

Damn the first decent answer here compared to other GGG fans.

Thnx natas for putting it in a clear, unbiased manner.
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No problem. I don't get why some people feel the need to make excuses since there's nothing really to excuse here. They both want to fight each other it's just that it makes much more sense next year versus now especially considered Ward has been away for so long. They'll fight eventually, GGG just needs his "big" fight or at least unifications and Ward needs to get back into his groove and back in the media.

Side note: it's always funny to me that certain people claim someone is a bum but only offer the greatest fighter possible that could potentially beat them. "Pacquiao is a bum, Mayweather will beat him!" "Golovkin is a bum, Ward will beat him!" Ok, those are two really fucking good fighters, no shame losing there. If that's the only person that can beat him must not be a bum. Likewise, Floyd wouldn't have been a bum if he lost to Pac and Ward wouldn't be a bum if he lost to Golovkin. All solid fighters. It's a compliment that the only person people say can likely beat Golovkin is the undefeated Gold Medalist and former pound-4-pound #2 fighter on the planet who is a weight class above him. It's like saying Rigondeaux is a bum because he'd lose to Nicholas Walters or some crap.

[NEETzsche]

ok, he can do that as well. the point is rather than all the BS, why not be honest and admit this isn't a PPV level fight.

loeffler has literally said that dozens of times. one year from now, when golovkin has raised his profile some more (hopefully with a ppv fight) and preferably ward has as well (although he has fewer options than golovkin), then they may be able to generate enough money to cover the costs of the fight. 300k ppv buys was enough to cover cotto and martinez's purses lately, so the bar is not impossibly high. but right now, with ward drawing 325k viewers on free tv, it's not the time

although, the wild card would be if roc nation agree to take a loss to make the fight happen. andre ward has a sugar daddy promoter unlike golovkin (k2 are almost entirely dependent on hbo funding)

[The Big Dunn]

Golden Boy dropped the ball big time for this fight. It was on what channel, Fox Sports 2? Most people don't even know they have that channel if they do. A good fight like that certainly deserved to be on a bigger network with actual promotion behind it.

True, but it won't hurt because Canelo has a strong enough fanbase that he can put either r Lemuix or Ndam in with him and the fight would still sell.

[The Big Dunn]

loeffler has literally said that dozens of times. one year from now, when golovkin has raised his profile some more (hopefully with a ppv fight) and preferably ward has as well (although he has fewer options than golovkin), then they may be able to generate enough money to cover the costs of the fight. 300k ppv buys was enough to cover cotto and martinez's purses lately, so the bar is not impossibly high. but right now, with ward drawing 325k viewers on free tv, it's not the time

although, the wild card would be if roc nation agree to take a loss to make the fight happen. andre ward has a sugar daddy promoter unlike golovkin (k2 are almost entirely dependent on hbo funding)

you forgot to address my point in the rest of the post. Cutting it out makes no sense.

Have you considered that HBO hurt the profitability of this potential fight by downplaying it so much?

[NEETzsche]

you forgot to address my point in the rest of the post. Cutting it out makes no sense.

Have you considered that HBO hurt the profitability of this potential fight by downplaying it so much?

i cut it out because it's a ****** minor quibble that doesn't affect anything and i didn't want to insult you by dismissing it like this

[Barcham]

ok, he can do that as well. the point is rather than all the BS, why not be honest and admit this isn't a PPV level fight.

It's an HBO fight. Maybe if HBO hadn't used all its platforms to downplay the fight, it might have a better chance to be profitable and excite fans more.

Did you ever consider that?

You don't read very well, do you? What the **** do you think we have been saying from the get go? THIS IS NOT A PPV FIGHT AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND UNTIL IT REACHES THAT POINT, THERE IS LITTLE TO NO CHANCE OF IT HAPPENING.

GOLOVKIN AND HIS TEAM HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WILL NOT MOVE UP OR DOWN FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PPV FIGHT. SO FORGET ABOUT THIS FIGHT HAPPENING ON REGULAR PPV, IT JUST AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!


Clear enough for you?

[DoktorSleepless]

Ward wanted too much money to fight a tomato can and HBO refused. So did Showtime. They will not pay premium dollars for a tune up fight against an unranked nobody.

What I'm saying is that I highly doubt BET put up more money than HBO. Roc Nation would have to make up the difference by paying the vast majority of the purse out of pocket eitherway. Ward would have still brought decent ratings to HBO had HBO paid whatever amount BET paid for the fight. All I can think of is that Roc Nation wants to start his own thing outside of HBO like Haymon, and turned down the HBO offer thinking it would pay off in the long run.

[bigjavi973]

No, they have no confidence at all that anyone will tune in for a Ward fight. Not to mention that Golovkin has repeatedly stated that HE WILL NOT MOVE UP FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PPV FIGHT. People seem to be very willing to ignore the fact that Golovkin must fight in a higher division which is not to his advantage. How about if the fight is on regular HBO that Ward comes down to 160 instead? That seems fair to me. It's a good trade off.

You sound very sure of that. Link & quote, please.

So you want GGG to fight a "weight drained" Ward??? I thought you didn't like catchweights and what not?