Why do people act like Floyd is in a league of his own?

[-PBP-]

Because he is in a league of his own, he makes the rules

Cant believe people hold Lomachenko lost against him. Floyd would never have got in the ring with Salido after 1 fight as a pro.

Floyds 2nd fight - Reggie Sanders won 12 (KO 2) + lost 47

The thread is about skill, not accomplishments

Typical Flom0s.

Lmao!!

Floyd won a title at age 21. Lomachenko was still fighting 4 rounders. FOH dude.

By Lomas age he was a 2 division world champion with several title defenses. And he didn't need 400 amateur fights to get to that level.

You want to talk about skill? Lomachenko got abused in close quarters against Salido. Floyd is a much more well rounded fighter.

[IronDanHamza]

Nothing more to say as everyone as has said it.

The answer is, is because he is in a league of his own.

The only guy remotely close to Floyd skill wise out of the people you listed is Rigondeaux but he's not really that close either.

Floyd is a once in a lifetime fighter.

[NEETzsche]

when andre ward is schooling hall of famers at cruiserweight or heavyweight in his 17th year since he first won a world title, then we can start comparing him to mayweather

[dan_cov]

Dan, what the hell are you on about? Jesus H...

The fact that the only fighter you say can stand and box on the level of Floyd is a guy who started his career five divisions above where Floyd started, is way younger, way bigger, still in his prime, started his pro career at a time when Floyd had already been champion for ten ****ing years, and was the number one P4P fighter in the world down at 135, 20 pounds below where Lara started his goddamn career, should not only tell you everything, but also how utterly, absurdly blind and bias you are.

That, and the fact that Floyd just beat the guy who beat Lara. Lara can't even get past guys like Molina, Vanes, hardly got past Angulo, and lost to the guy Floyd beat recently. Pull your head out.

The only reason for it is because he moved from weight to weight, retiring and avoiding.
There was many more, they're retired now.
Erislandy Lara, Stevie Johnston, Winky Wright to name a few, Floyd could of fought all three but didn't. He has avoided every good defensive minded southpaw like the plague.

Guerrero, Manny, Ortiz, Judah, Corley and so on are all offensive southpaws.
He hasn't fought one defensive southpaw in his career.
He hasn't fought one prime ATG
He hasn't fought one elite pressure fighter

I've never doubted he was a great fighter or he wouldn't beat Manny and so on and retire undefeated.
He is a great fighter who has carefully constructed his career in a similar manner to Joe Calzaghe only he managed to take it to the next level.
To me he isn't a fighter who went through the weights fighting the legit threats, he is one who exploited the system and largely took belts from fighters who frankly lucked out on world titles.

His resume has gaping holes. Most of his top wins, most of his best wins should have an asterisks next to their name.

That is exactly how he did it. People hyping the wrong fighters and people dismissing the stylistic threats by saying well they lost to so and so. He struggled with a lesser fighter so has no chance and so on but they fail to understand that styles make fights and because a fighter losses to someone deemed as a lesser fighter doesn't always equate to them not being able to win.

[BennyST]

Because he is in a league of his own, he makes the rules

Cant believe people hold Lomachenko lost against him. Floyd would never have got in the ring with Salido after 1 fight as a pro.

Floyds 2nd fight - Reggie Sanders won 12 (KO 2) + lost 47

The thread is about skill, not accomplishments

Typical Flom0s.

Yeah, right. Floyd decides how boxing is scored, he scores his fights himself, and doesn't actually fight his opponents in the ring. It's all fake! **** me, this place...

Skill cannot be measured when two fighters are fighting opponents leagues apart. Longevity, the ability to adapt, versatility are all skills. The simple fact that someone wins at a high level, time and time again against the best opponents proves his skills. Anything else, everything else, is pure conjecture and hypotheticals i.e. bull****.

The level of opponent is the only way to measure true skill in boxing. How long you can do it for just adds to it and confirms it all, particularly if you show the skill to adapt and be versatile enough to move up weight divisions, beat bigger fighters and more styles.

Who gives a **** if he shows the ability to get angles on someone of Gamalier Rodriguez' level. He couldn't do it against the only guy who is remotely close to the type of opponent Floyd has shown greater skills against for two decades now.

That's not being a 'flom0)' or whatever childish bull**** you wanna call it. You're not in high school for ****s sake. That's just how boxing works. It's how all sports work.

Do people bring up Jordan's six rings, all his mvps etc etc to show how good he was? Do you ignore all that and just say "Well, this latest rookie, without any rings, no mvps, no anything, is clearly as skilled as Jordan! Just look at him dunk over the college kids on youtube yo!! That's all you need to see!"

Loma was 26 years old. Had 400 amateur fights against the best amateurs in the world, which meant he had beaten some of the best fighters in the world, so while he hasn't done **** in comparison, he was certainly no 1 fight nobody.

He really didn't only have 1 fight. That's a silly myth. He'd fought 6 or 8 (can't remember which) fights under full pro rules, that don't show up on his record. So, in reality, he was a 26 year old, scarily experienced amateur great, with nearly ten pro fights against some very good opposition.

When he stepped up properly though, he got beat.

When Floyd was 26, he was the number one P4P fighter in the world, a two division champion with 13 title fights.

It's a little different when you start your pro career at 19 years old, with 80 amateur fights. In fact its a lot different.

I dare say that with all of Loma's amateur experience over his 400 fights against the best, plus the nearly ten pro fights and being 26, that he was actually more experienced than the 21 year old Floyd that beat future HOFer Hernandez.

[RED REP]

Nothing more to say as everyone as has said it.

The answer is, is because he is in a league of his own.

The only guy remotely close to Floyd skill wise out of the people you listed is Rigondeaux but he's not really that close either.

Floyd is a once in a lifetime fighter.

Indeed.

I know a historian named Ben Doughty from England who's very well respect over here and he doesn't like Mayweather at all and still has him down as the best of the last 25 years.

Even Floyd biggest critics and haters be careful with most arguments. They won't go near the "best defensive fighter ever" debate as even they know he's number uno.

[IronDanHamza]

The only reason for it is because he moved from weight to weight, retiring and avoiding.
There was many more, they're retired now.
Erislandy Lara, Stevie Johnston, Winky Wright to name a few, Floyd could of fought all three but didn't. He has avoided every good defensive minded southpaw like the plague.

Guerrero, Manny, Ortiz, Judah, Corley and so on are all offensive southpaws.
He hasn't fought one defensive southpaw in his career.
He hasn't fought one prime ATG
He hasn't fought one elite pressure fighter

I've never doubted he was a great fighter or he wouldn't beat Manny and so on and retire undefeated.
He is a great fighter who has carefully constructed his career in a similar manner to Joe Calzaghe only he managed to take it to the next level.
To me he isn't a fighter who went through the weights fighting the legit threats, he is one who exploited the system and largely took belts from fighters who frankly lucked out on world titles.

His resume has gaping holes. Most of his top wins, most of his best wins should have an asterisks next to their name.

That is exactly how he did it. People hyping the wrong fighters and people dismissing the stylistic threats by saying well they lost to so and so. He struggled with a lesser fighter so has no chance and so on but they fail to understand that styles make fights and because a fighter losses to someone deemed as a lesser fighter doesn't always equate to them not being able to win.

How did he avoid Winky Wright?

He didn't avoid Lara either.

And comparing Mayweather's career to Calzaghe's career is just absurd.

Which "elite pressure fighters" should he have fought that he didn't?

[Johnny2x2x]

He is 26-0 in championship fights, that is a record that puts him in a class by himself. Whenever you are fighting champions you are risking losing and no one has faced more champions than Floyd and never lost.

Most fighters don't face any real competition until their 30th or even 40th fight (see GGG and Chocalito), Floyd fought a World Champion in his 18th fight. His resume is going to be unmatched when it's looked at in 10 years.

His resume is complete now, there are no holes in it and these avoided so and so arguments are easily defeated as shown in this thread. He fought everyone he had to during his career and then some.

[b00g13man]

People just making stuff up just to criticise a fighter they don't like.

I mean Lomachenko? Rigo? Absolute joke.

[dan_cov]

Like I said he won't fight a defensive minded southpaw because his reflexes have been on the slide for 5 years now and he hasn't the offense. His offense ain't great all he has is an underused jab and a single right hand for years. Its been about 6 years since he went to the body or threw a left hook or put a combination together. A great fighter in any era but one who has shined on careful matchmaking and being in the right places at the right times taking full advantage of himself being the face of boxing.
His style is perfect for guys who stand off and offensive southpaws because they're so open for the right hand.

Could you imagine if Rigondeaux was his size? He'd expose him for what he really is. Completely neutralise him and shut him out. It wouldn't be remotely competitive. You'd see the difference between a very good amateur and the best.
I really do pity anybody that thinks Floyd would outbox Rigondeaux.

You can say Rigondeaux gets dropped, off balance or not but how many times have you ever seen him remotely bothered by a right hand? How many times you even seen him take a clean right hand?
How often do you see Lara hit by a right hand?
Let me tell you this, you will never see either guy outside of some major b.s lose to anybody who doesn't have a great jab and left hook.
They might struggle with a Mexican style not an American amateur style.

Floyd has no left hook, that is why he has avoided every defensive southpaw imaginable.

He wouldn't even fight Lara who might struggle against big pressure fighters with big left hooks but that isn't Floyd.