Why do people act like Floyd is in a league of his own?

[b00g13man]

Like I said he won't fight a defensive minded southpaw because his reflexes have been on the slide for 5 years now and he hasn't the offense. His offense ain't great all he has is an underused jab and a single right hand for years. Its been about 6 years since he went to the body or threw a left hook or put a combination together. A great fighter in any era but one who has shined on careful matchmaking and being in the right places at the right times taking full advantage of himself being the face of boxing.
His style is perfect for guys who stand off and offensive southpaws because they're so open for the right hand.

Could you imagine if Rigondeaux was his size? He'd expose him for what he really is. Completely neutralise him and shut him out. It wouldn't be remotely competitive. You'd see the difference between a very good amateur and the best.
I really do pity anybody that thinks Floyd would outbox Rigondeaux.

You can say Rigondeaux gets dropped, off balance or not but how many times have you ever seen him remotely bothered by a right hand? How many times you even seen him take a clean right hand?
How often do you see Lara hit by a right hand?
Let me tell you this, you will never see either guy outside of some major b.s lose to anybody who doesn't have a great jab and left hook.
They might struggle with a Mexican style not an American amateur style.

Floyd has no left hook, that is why he has avoided every defensive southpaw imaginable.

He wouldn't even fight Lara who might struggle against big pressure fighters with big left hooks but that isn't Floyd.

Hahahaha. So we've moved on from southpaws bother him to defensive southpaws bother him? Where are all these defensive southpaws he's avoided?

I like Rigo as much as the next guy, but he's leagues away from Floyd technically.

[dan_cov]

How did he avoid Winky Wright?

He didn't avoid Lara either.

And comparing Mayweather's career to Calzaghe's career is just absurd.

Which "elite pressure fighters" should he have fought that he didn't?

Wasn't the fight signed with Winky at a catchweight and he pulled out making crazy demands?

Lara is his mandatory and has been for some time. He just does his usual ''who is this laura character? where was he when I was dominating the sport'' rubbish.

He never expressed any interest in defensive southpaws people was half right when they said claimed he struggled with southpaws.

Not even an elite pressure fighter but Tyszu, Margarito, prime Cotto before he had two brutal losses and turned more boxer-puncher. He won't even rematch Cotto now he knows he figured him out in that fight and it clicked.

We can also add Joel Cassamayor to that list of defensive southpaws he ducked. Of about 12 southpaws, he only fought the offensive minded ones, why is that? Because he knows of the extreme difficulties he'd have and knew it from as far back as when he fought as an amateur.

Almost 50 fights, 25 is it? world title fights spamming all those weights and he hasn't fought a single defensive southpaw or a good healthy prime pressure fighter with volume

[BennyST]

The only reason for it is because he moved from weight to weight, retiring and avoiding.
There was many more, they're retired now.
Erislandy Lara, Stevie Johnston, Winky Wright to name a few, Floyd could of fought all three but didn't. He has avoided every good defensive minded southpaw like the plague.

Guerrero, Manny, Ortiz, Judah, Corley and so on are all offensive southpaws.
He hasn't fought one defensive southpaw in his career.
He hasn't fought one prime ATG
He hasn't fought one elite pressure fighter

I've never doubted he was a great fighter or he wouldn't beat Manny and so on and retire undefeated.
He is a great fighter who has carefully constructed his career in a similar manner to Joe Calzaghe only he managed to take it to the next level.
To me he isn't a fighter who went through the weights fighting the legit threats, he is one who exploited the system and largely took belts from fighters who frankly lucked out on world titles.

His resume has gaping holes. Most of his top wins, most of his best wins should have an asterisks next to their name.

That is exactly how he did it. People hyping the wrong fighters and people dismissing the stylistic threats by saying well they lost to so and so. He struggled with a lesser fighter so has no chance and so on but they fail to understand that styles make fights and because a fighter losses to someone deemed as a lesser fighter doesn't always equate to them not being able to win.

Jesus Dan, this is just ...

You know though, if he had fought the guys you say, you would, I guarantee with 100% certainty, be saying "He didn't fight the special southpaw, iron handed, special punching light heavyweight next Tyson" or "yeah, he fought those guys, but did he beat Kovalev? No! He didn't! Fraud"

Come on man.

Winky started at 154 years before Floyd started his career at all, down at 130. When do you think they could have fought?

2003 when Floyd was a lightweight? Oh, Winky might have struggled with making 135, or 140, or 147 because he was a big jr middleweight champion and had been for nearly ten years already by that stage.

2004 when Winky moved up to middleweight and Floyd first moved up to super-lightweight?!?

Maybe 2006 when Floyd first won a title at welterweight? Oh wait, Winky was fighting Jermain Taylor for the middleweight title!

What about 2007 when Floyd first got really big after fighting Oscar? Oh yeah, Winky was fighting Bernard ****ing Hopkins at light heavyweight.

Stevie Johnston? You're reaching now mate. Maybe you weren't there, I actually honestly don't know, not an insult, but I was watching boxing then as much as now and that fight was never going to materialise because Floyd talked about fighting Johnston, after the Jesus Chavez fight from memory, but Johnston lost and didn't have a title anymore, Floyd then fought the guy that beat him Castillo, and then it might have happened but Floyd had to do the rematch with Castillo, and Johnston lost to Lazcano in the meantime, who Floyd offered to fight next. Lazscano didn't take it though. By that stage, Johnston was done.

Anyway, no matter what happens, what facts get shown to you, what history says, you'll make up your own fantasies. Meh...

[dan_cov]

Hahahaha. So we've moved on from southpaws bother him to defensive southpaws bother him? Where are all these defensive southpaws he's avoided?

I like Rigo as much as the next guy, but he's leagues away from Floyd technically.

Stevie Johnston, Winky Wright, Joel Cassamayor, Erislandy Lara to name a few.

Its crystal clear I don't even dislike Floyd I just tell it how it is. He has always had the luxury of picking and choosing and throwing in stipulations to anybody he isn't entirely 100% on beating. He thinks a fighter has a 0.1% chance he'll take that away by making them wear big gloves, fight at a catchweight with a bent referee in a kingsize ring.

[IronDanHamza]

Wasn't the fight signed with Winky at a catchweight and he pulled out making crazy demands?

Lara is his mandatory and has been for some time. He just does his usual ''who is this laura character? where was he when I was dominating the sport'' rubbish.

He never expressed any interest in defensive southpaws people was half right when they said claimed he struggled with southpaws.

Not even an elite pressure fighter but Tyszu, Margarito, prime Cotto before he had two brutal losses and turned more boxer-puncher. He won't even rematch Cotto now he knows he figured him out in that fight and it clicked.

We can also add Joel Cassamayor to that list of defensive southpaws he ducked. Of about 12 southpaws, he only fought the offensive minded ones, why is that? Because he knows of the extreme difficulties he'd have and knew it from as far back as when he fought as an amateur.

Almost 50 fights, 25 is it? world title fights spamming all those weights and he hasn't fought a single defensive southpaw or a good healthy prime pressure fighter with volume

Nope.

Everything was agreed (including rehydration clause) and then Winky priced himself out and walked away from a career high pay day (as usual)

I've literally never heard him even mention Lara. When has he said "who's this lara character?" Lara can't help but lose fights, if he beat Canelo he might have got a shot but he didn't.

Ok go ahead and explain to me how he ducked Casamayor and also explain to me how he ducked Tszyu. Are you just saying he ducked them because he didn't fight them? Did he duck Lazcano aswell because that fight was supposed to happen but didn't get made either?

He tried to make the Casamyor fight and they couldnt agree terms. He really wanted the Tszyu fight. Saying he ducked that is preposterous.

He did avoid Johnston.

So the "elite pressure fighters" he should have fought is Margarito. How is Margarito better than Castillo? Or Corrales?

[IronDanHamza]

Stevie Johnston, Winky Wright, Joel Cassamayor, Erislandy Lara to name a few.

Its crystal clear I don't even dislike Floyd I just tell it how it is. He has always had the luxury of picking and choosing and throwing in stipulations to anybody he isn't entirely 100% on beating. He thinks a fighter has a 0.1% chance he'll take that away by making them wear big gloves, fight at a catchweight with a bent referee in a kingsize ring.

Only fighter there he actually avoided is Johnston.

[dan_cov]

That is what he does, he messes about biding his time, of course some fighters are going to lose in the meantime whilst waiting around forever for Floyd to make the fight happen, its been a common theme throughout his career.
Even Manny lost during the 5-6 year wait.

Instead of taking them on he waits it out or retires.

Do you not think its funny how there was all these top defensive southpaws and he never fought one?

I disagree with this whole he has earned the right to pick a bum for his last fight as well, its what he has done for majority of his career north of lightweight. And its exactly how he has gotten away with it all.
I don't think so, you call yourself the TBE lets see you fight Lara.
You win that fight convincingly and I will get TBE tattooed on my ar5e!

[IronDanHamza]

Jesus Dan, this is just ...

You know though, if he had fought the guys you say, you would, I guarantee with 100% certainty, be saying "He didn't fight the special southpaw, iron handed, special punching light heavyweight next Tyson" or "yeah, he fought those guys, but did he beat Kovalev? No! He didn't! Fraud"

Come on man.

Winky started at 154 years before Floyd started his career at all, down at 130. When do you think they could have fought?

2003 when Floyd was a lightweight? Oh, Winky might have struggled with making 135, or 140, or 147 because he was a big jr middleweight champion and had been for nearly ten years already by that stage.

2004 when Winky moved up to middleweight and Floyd first moved up to super-lightweight?!?

Maybe 2006 when Floyd first won a title at welterweight? Oh wait, Winky was fighting Jermain Taylor for the middleweight title!

What about 2007 when Floyd first got really big after fighting Oscar? Oh yeah, Winky was fighting Bernard ****ing Hopkins at light heavyweight.

Stevie Johnston? You're reaching now mate. Maybe you weren't there, I actually honestly don't know, not an insult, but I was watching boxing then as much as now and that fight was never going to materialise because Floyd talked about fighting Johnston, after the Jesus Chavez fight from memory, but Johnston lost and didn't have a title anymore, Floyd then fought the guy that beat him Castillo, and then it might have happened but Floyd had to do the rematch with Castillo, and Johnston lost to Lazcano in the meantime, who Floyd offered to fight next. Lazscano didn't take it though. By that stage, Johnston was done.

Anyway, no matter what happens, what facts get shown to you, what history says, you'll make up your own fantasies. Meh...

If Johnston hd beat Castillo he'd have fought him there and then.

But, the fight could have happened in 2002-2003 but for some reason Floyd turned it down. Really have no idea why.

Then Johnston fought Lazcano in the eliminator for Floyd's belt but lost to Lazcano.

Floyd then offered the fight to Lazcano but Lazcano turned down 1 million dollars.

A lot of people just didn't follow this career in the early days.

How can you possibly say he ducked Tszyu? Seriously, how?

Like I get Casamayor because neither seemed like they really wanted that fight even though HBO was pushing to make it. So although it's wrong I get it to a degree.

And I get Johnston because he did turn that fight down.

But Wright? Tszyu? Preposterous.

[IronDanHamza]

That is what he does, he messes about biding his time, of course some fighters are going to lose in the meantime whilst waiting around forever for Floyd to make the fight happen, its been a common theme throughout his career.
Even Manny lost during the 5-6 year wait.

Instead of taking them on he waits it out or retires.

Do you not think its funny how there was all these top defensive southpaws and he never fought one?

I disagree with this whole he has earned the right to pick a bum for his last fight as well, its what he has done for majority of his career north of lightweight. And its exactly how he has gotten away with it all.
I don't think so, you call yourself the TBE lets see you fight Lara.
You win that fight convincingly and I will get TBE tattooed on my ar5e!

Yeah he bides his time fighting the guys who beat them

So Floyd "bides his time" fighting Castillo twice a guy who beat Casamayor and Johnston instead of fighting...Casamayor and Johnston?

[BennyST]

If Johnston hd beat Castillo he'd have fought him there and then.

But, the fight could have happened in 2002-2003 but for some reason Floyd turned it down. Really have no idea why.

Then Johnston fought Lazcano in the eliminator for Floyd's belt but lost to Lazcano.

Floyd then offered the fight to Lazcano but Lazcano turned down 1 million dollars.

A lot of people just didn't follow this career in the early days.

How can you possibly say he ducked Tszyu? Seriously, how?

Like I get Casamayor because neither seemed like they really wanted that fight even though HBO was pushing to make it. So although it's wrong I get it to a degree.

And I get Johnston because he did turn that fight down.

But Wright? Tszyu? Preposterous.

I don't remember that fight ever being actually negotiated, except as a future possibility, but by the time Floyd got to 135 and it was being properly considered, he lost to Castillo, who Floyd then beat.

Yeah, I definitely remember the Lazcano thing because it was Lazcano who talked about it. Floyd was at the Johnston/Lazcano fight to see who would get him, but Lazcano won. He said Floyd offered him the fight after some fight of his, don't remember which. Maybe it was even that fight, but it might have been a later one.