Why do people act like Floyd is in a league of his own?

[-PBP-]

Could you imagine if Rigondeaux was his size? He'd expose him for what he really is. Completely neutralise him and shut him out. It wouldn't be remotely competitive. You'd see the difference between a very good amateur and the best.
I really do pity anybody that thinks Floyd would outbox Rigondeaux.

You can say Rigondeaux gets dropped, off balance or not but how many times have you ever seen him remotely bothered by a right hand? How many times you even seen him take a clean right hand?
How often do you see Lara hit by a right hand?
Let me tell you this, you will never see either guy outside of some major b.s lose to anybody who doesn't have a great jab and left hook.
They might struggle with a Mexican style not an American amateur style.

Floyd has no left hook, that is why he has avoided every defensive southpaw imaginable.

He wouldn't even fight Lara who might struggle against big pressure fighters with big left hooks but that isn't Floyd.

How can you criticize Floyd about an underutilized lead hand, a limited offensive arsenal and then praise Rigondeaux and Lara? Don't get me wrong, Lara is my favorite fighter in boxing but let's be serious.

Rigo and Lara use their lead hands primarily for range finding. Occasionally you will see them throw a right hook which I wish they did more of. Especially Lara.

And then you criticize Floyd for never fighting an elite pressure fighter. Lara was dropped by a slow, plodding D+ pressure fighter and Rigo has yet to face one either.

Your very one sided with your criticisms.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't remember that fight ever being actually negotiated, except as a future possibility, but by the time Floyd got to 135 and it was being properly considered, he lost to Castillo, who Floyd then beat.

Yeah, I definitely remember the Lazcano thing because it was Lazcano who talked about it. Floyd was at the Johnston/Lazcano fight to see who would get him, but Lazcano won. He said Floyd offered him the fight after some fight of his, don't remember which. Maybe it was even that fight, but it might have been a later one.

No you're right it was Johnston-Lazcano. He said it after that fight.

Johnston has lost to Castillo already yes, but the fight was on the table, and really should have happened IMO but Floyd did turn it down. Not really a massive deal but I'd have liked to see it.

If Johnston had beaten Lazcano it probably would have happened.

[IronDanHamza]

How can you criticize Floyd about an underutilized lead hand, a limited offensive arsenal and then praise Rigondeaux and Lara? Don't get me wrong, Lara is my favorite fighter in boxing but let's be serious.

Rigo and Lara use their lead hands primarily for range finding. Occasionally you will see them throw a right hook which I wish they did more of. Especially Lara.

And then you criticize Floyd for never fighting an elite pressure fighter. Lara was dropped by a slow, plodding D+ pressure fighter and Rigo has yet to face one either.

Your very one sided with your criticisms.

Exactly.

Lara can't even convincingly beat Molina, Vanes, Angulo or Canelo and you're telling me he's going to outbox Mayweather? Ok.

Rigondeaux IMO isn't even close to Mayweather, no jab, no inside game. He's a one dimensional fighter, IMO. As is Lara of course.

[BennyST]

How can you criticize Floyd about an underutilized lead hand, a limited offensive arsenal and then praise Rigondeaux and Lara? Don't get me wrong, Lara is my favorite fighter in boxing but let's be serious.

Rigo and Lara use their lead hands primarily for range finding. Occasionally you will see them throw a right hook which I wish they did more of. Especially Lara.

And then you criticize Floyd for never fighting an elite pressure fighter. Lara was dropped by a slow, plodding D+ pressure fighter and Rigo has yet to face one either.

Your very one sided with your criticisms.

Yeah, it's very weird.

Then he mentions "No one has ever seen Rigo hit with a clean right hand! Floyd would never land it" whilst seeming to forget that Rigo got dropped and badly shaken up in his last fight with, you guessed it, a straight right hand on the counter, coming out of a clinch where Floyd throws them best.

Rigo always stands straight up coming out of clinches. It's a massive flaw of his. He has been dropped two or three times doing it.

The last fight, he got dropped with a right hand, and then hit cleanly multiple times with the right again and looked very shaky. If it was a better fighter, who knows what would happen.

[The Big Dunn]

In addition to all the things posted I think he is in a league of his own because men he doesn't fight almost always get elevated by fans simply because Floyd didn't fight them.

These men are perceived as huge threats to Floyd despite what they actually accomplished in their career. It's truly odd and I've never seen this with any other fighter since I've been watching the sport.

[Johnny2x2x]

People who say he ducked Cotto ever should ask themselves this question, how many days after Cotto left Arum did it take for Floyd to finalize a fight with him? 6? Was it 10 days? Floyd couldn't wait to fight Cotto and as soon as Cotto was free of Arum he made it happen, at Cotto's best and most comfortable weight.

Tszyu? Same story, never had an opportunity to fight him. And then after Hatton retired him he fought Hatton.

Casamoyer? Please. Johnston? Already been debunked. Lara? No one knew who Lara was until 12 months ago. Margarito? Chose to fight the champ instead in Baldomir, you can criticize him for not taking the Margarito fight, but all Margarito had to do was keep winning and he would have gotten the fight with Mayweather. Mayweather schooled several guys who beat Margarito.

He spent the 1st half of his career trying to get a fight with Mosely or De la Hoya, fought Oscar as soon as he possibly could. Fought Mosely when he was P4P top 3. Fought JMM when he was P4P top 3. Fought Hatton, Corrales, JLC, and Canelo when they were P4P top 10.

ANd then there is Pacquiao, fought him when he was P4P top 2 and schooled him. We all wish they had fought 5 years earlier, but I think the shadiness of Pacquiao's camp surrounding his injury make it clear they were to blame for that fight not happening. They're a bunch of liars, we all know that now.

Like I said, Mayweather has been fighting World Champions since 1998, not a single one of them was an easy opponent.

[-PBP-]

People put these amateur golden children on a pedastal because they have fluid footwork, solid fundamentals, good distance control, etc.

But the problem with each and every one of them: GGG, Rigo, Lara, Kovalev, Lomachenko... Is that they can only fight at a range they are comfortable at. They are ineffective particularly in the pocket and some of then just havent faced fighters that can exploit that.

Floyd can throw punches and be effective from all ranges. He can fight inside, outside, mid-range and be equally as effective.

That is why there is no comparison.

[BennyST]

No you're right it was Johnston-Lazcano. He said it after that fight.

Johnston has lost to Castillo already yes, but the fight was on the table, and really should have happened IMO but Floyd did turn it down. Not really a massive deal but I'd have liked to see it.

If Johnston had beaten Lazcano it probably would have happened.

It was on the table? As in they were negotiating it? I always remember it being talked about before Floyd actually got to 135 as the fight that he was going to take because Johnston was the champ then, but then of course Johnston lost and Floyd fought the guy that beat him.

Then it got talked about more, but nothing happened and then when Johnston got in position to get the fight, he lost again.

It would have happened Im sure, as you say, if Johnston had beaten Castillo or if he had beaten Lazcano. He lost both though.

The only time I remember it being seriously considered was just before Johnston/Castillo, then after Floyd/Castillo, but both times Johnston lost the fight he needed to win, which took it off the table.

Or, at least maybe it took it off the table for Floyd who wanted to beat the actual champion. Who knows? I certainly don't remember it being signed or negotiated seriously though. Maybe offered, but I remember that if that had happened it would have only been around the time when it was being discussed seriously, which was when Johnston lost, thus taking it off the table...except for Johnston's promoters maybe!

I don't know, I'm not a promoter. I only remember all the usual bull**** talks between camps and managers and promoters and none of that seemed anything more serious than very basic talks.

[BennyST]

In addition to all the things posted I think he is in a league of his own because men he doesn't fight almost always get elevated by fans simply because Floyd didn't fight them.

These men are perceived as huge threats to Floyd despite what they actually accomplished in their career. It's truly odd and I've never seen this with any other fighter since I've been watching the sport.

Yep, and he'll often beat the guy who beat them and yet it won't matter. He should have actually fought the loser, the guy that got beat, instead of the winner, the champion, the guy that showed he was the best opponent by winning important fights.

Really bizarre logic.

"Floyd's a no good fraud because he didn't beat the guy that lost!"

If he'd fought the loser instead of the winners, imagine how much **** he'd be getting from these same people for not having fought the guy that actually ****ing mattered and won instead of losing? Its bat**** crazy.

[IronDanHamza]

It was on the table? As in they were negotiating it? I always remember it being talked about before Floyd actually got to 135 as the fight that he was going to take because Johnston was the champ then, but then of course Johnston lost and Floyd fought the guy that beat him.

Then it got talked about more, but nothing happened and then when Johnston got in position to get the fight, he lost again.

It would have happened Im sure, as you say, if Johnston had beaten Castillo or if he had beaten Lazcano. He lost both though.

The only time I remember it being seriously considered was just before Johnston/Castillo, then after Floyd/Castillo, but both times Johnston lost the fight he needed to win, which took it off the table.

Or, at least maybe it took it off the table for Floyd who wanted to beat the actual champion. Who knows? I certainly don't remember it being signed or negotiated seriously though. Maybe offered, but I remember that if that had happened it would have only been around the time when it was being discussed seriously, which was when Johnston lost, thus taking it off the table...except for Johnston's promoters maybe!

I don't know, I'm not a promoter. I only remember all the usual bull**** talks between camps and managers and promoters and none of that seemed anything more serious than very basic talks.

Between the Castillo draw and Lazcano loss. That's when it was offered.

Basic talks but Floyd wouldn't even entertain it. The offer was on the table to make the fight. Arum wanted to make it also and was disgruntled with Mayweather who showed no interest.

Like I said, nothing major.