Do you think Povetkin is on PEDs?

[Y0@NN]

His fight against Takam was reminiscent of the Boswell one, he struggled with the reach a bit then he placed a few heavy shots and closed the show.
So if it's just about today's fight and Manuel Charr, i don't see why it would deserve that much su****ion.

[PainfromUkraine]

You respect shit. People who make these types of threads, always after a win, "is so and so on PEDs!?!?" have an agenda. You are clearly biased no matter what you say or else YOU WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THIS THREAD. This has nothing to do with boxing and everything to do with your agenda. Do you make threads asking if someone is on PEDs because you love boxing so much? Obviously not.

Threads like this should be an automatic ban. Minutes after fighter wins, person "suspects" PED's and makes a thread about it - ban. No exceptions.

Prove I have an agenda. If you can't, GTFO. You seem to be in floods of tears at the sight of a Russian fighter being remotely criticised or questioned. You're pathetic. If any other poster that was not Ukrainian posted this, such as dan_cov with whom this whole argument started - I only SUGGESTED it! Dan in fact is a POVETKIN FAN and said he thought he WAS on PEDS.

If this was Povetkin's first big KO v a durable guy, and I made this thread, then you might have a point. This is a discussion many agree with, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE POLL RESULTS. This is not a direct accusation, it's a question to discuss. Are you too dense to understand that?

If I'm biased, I'd be the only one with this opinion. As you see, I am not. I'd also have made the options for the poll much more biased. The only one with an agenda is you, a pathetic fool getting butthurt over anything remotely against a country which you don't even live in!

Stop being pathetic and discuss boxing, not childish arguments about nationality.

[PainfromUkraine]

IDK bud you're not a bad poster but it is kind of hard to ignore that your countries are basically at war you're suggesting the guy is on PEDs based on a fight that lasted like 1 minute.

Povetkin looked pretty solid, I could see some being su****ious if he was just blazing for 12 rounds showing no signs of fatigue and throwing Perez around like a child.

But a 1st round KO consisting of a few calm, accurate punches landed flush on the chin? What do PEDs have to do with that?

So it would make a difference if my username was something like Boxingfan003? If you have looked at my post history, i've been complimentary of many Russian fighters and never talk about politics in NSB threads. I in fact particularly try to avoid such arguments. Look through my post history if you need to.

Once again, some of you are misunderstanding. This isn't based off one result, it's the last 3 against solid opposition and really nice, vicious 1 punch KOs. Yes, some were caused after accumulation, but many stoppages don't have that nice 1 punch ending. And Povetkin was never known for that kind of performance.

[ИATAS]

I do give Povetkin the benefit of the doubt. I have said multiple times - he is innocent until proven guilty.

Oh yeah man, you totally CREATED this thread because you give him the benifit of the doubt. Your opening post you barely even mentioned anything right? Lets recap:

-how can a fighter suddenly go from a decent accumulation puncher to a one-punch knockout artist, knocking fighters cold who were never KO'd before?

-Three solid fighters who were known for their durability and were expected to be tough fights for Povetkin. However, he has stopped all three in brutal fashion, not through accumulation but through raw power, 1 punch knockouts. No one in the division has been doing that to high level fighters, not even Wlad (mostly).

-Russian athletes are known for PED scandals

-Povetkin being on the juice would not at all surprise me.

- As long as he is fighting in Moscow with Ryabinsky controlling and promoting the events, he will not be caught if he is on PEDs.

Yep, here you are being totally unbiased and fair, and wouldn't suspect a thing as you give him the benifet of the doubt, which is why of course you created a thread talking about his possible PED use. Makes sense!

i'm not an expert on PEDs

Oh really, you're not an expect? Well fuck me sideways! This is a shocking revelation being that you created this entire thread throwing around PED accusations at a pro athlete.

but I assume there are things available that enhance strength and power.

Like protein? Diet & exercise? Training? Punching technique? Weight lifting? Or is it only PEDs that produce KO's?

The only thing I am saying is that Povetkin MIGHT be on something

Well that CERTAINLY justifies making a thread regarding PED's then, thanks for clearing that up!

Let's make some more great threads of things that MIGHT be true:

-Floyd Mayweather MIGHT be part of the Illuminati.
-Gary Russell Jr. MIGHT be pregnant.
-Chris Arreola MIGHT be Egyptian.
-Lenox Lewis MIGHT be saying the word "definitely" right now.

With Povetkin's recent change of team and coach, perhaps this could have led to some 'routine' changes also...

Oh well hey now let's not go too crazy here! Change of team could have improved his game? I think we should stick with the more probable PED claim, don't you?

Brilliant thread mate. Please make moar.

[Elroy1]

Well a couple of points...

I think that Povetkin's increased performance is more in tune with an increase in skill, than any major increase in raw power.

As a fighter ages and matures, his raw power is expected to naturally increase also anyway, as are his skills! Until such a time that age plays a larger role in degredation. Povetkin isn't even very old at all!

But again, I see more accurate and timed punches, punches in combination combined with power that was always there, doing the job.

- Punching power is actually a fairly technical thing in itself, muscle strength plays some role but not as much as weight and technique does, which has not really altered for Povetkin. Again I think timing and dexterity have improved mostly.

As for this Olympic style testing which Freedom speaks of, I feel also it is a more stringent testing method, and commonsense would have it that it would be because of the increased ethical dilemma in such events over doping.

There are, in my opinion, no grounds based on Povetkins boxing performance of late to sustain any more grounds for PED use than for any of the other top level HW boxers...

He is on a good run! Cudos to the guy!

[PainfromUkraine]

Oh yeah man, you totally CREATED this thread because you give him the benifit of the doubt. Your opening post you barely even mentioned anything right? Lets recap:

-how can a fighter suddenly go from a decent accumulation puncher to a one-punch knockout artist, knocking fighters cold who were never KO'd before?

-Three solid fighters who were known for their durability and were expected to be tough fights for Povetkin. However, he has stopped all three in brutal fashion, not through accumulation but through raw power, 1 punch knockouts. No one in the division has been doing that to high level fighters, not even Wlad (mostly).

-Russian athletes are known for PED scandals

-Povetkin being on the juice would not at all surprise me.

- As long as he is fighting in Moscow with Ryabinsky controlling and promoting the events, he will not be caught if he is on PEDs.

Yep, here you are being totally unbiased and fair, and wouldn't suspect a thing as you give him the benifet of the doubt, which is why of course you created a thread talking about his possible PED use. Makes sense!




Oh really, you're not an expect? Well fuck me sideways! This is a shocking revelation being that you created this entire thread throwing around PED accusations at a pro athlete.



Like protein? Diet & exercise? Training? Punching technique? Weight lifting? Or is it only PEDs that produce KO's?




Well that CERTAINLY justifies making a thread regarding PED's then, thanks for clearing that up!

Let's make some more great threads of things that MIGHT be true:

-Floyd Mayweather MIGHT be part of the Illuminati.
-Gary Russell Jr. MIGHT be pregnant.
-Chris Arreola MIGHT be Egyptian.
-Lenox Lewis MIGHT be saying the word "definitely" right now.




Oh well hey now let's not go too crazy here! Change of team could have improved his game? I think we should stick with the more probably PED claim, don't you?

Brilliant thread mate. Please make moar.

You're really mad, it's actually hilarious. Let's cover all your points though.

1. Creating the thread - go to the RBR thread and see my original post, merely asking the question "anyone think Povetkin could be using PEDs? bla bla, if there's a discussion I will make a thread". dan_cov replied, saying he was a fan and thought it was very su****ious for Povetkin to be a beast suddenly aged 35.

2. I don't see your point...what's wrong with that question? So, it's normal that a 35 year old who is not known as a concussive puncher suddenly KO's 3 fighters who were never KO'd before? (THAT'S A FACT?!)

3. How am I not being unbiased and fair? It is a fact that sport in Russia is blighted by PED scandals - is that just me lying or let me guess it's Western propaganda and that is me making it up?

4. I would concede I would be a bit biased in terms of not being surprised if he was on the juice, but then again - I would merely not be surprised as I think it is unnatural that a 35 year old would suddenly improve his power like this. If Wlad was to become faster and more powerful after aged 40, i'd also suspect PEDs.

5. If anything, you are showing your agenda by doing the typical Russian denial thing...just deny everything - but he's Russian!!! It can't be true!!! Russian spirit!!! Mother Russia doe!!!

6. The funniest thing is, if this was I don't know, a thread about Floyd KOing Manny or suddenly gaining power over 3 fights late in his career, and someone said - but it could be weights! supplements! technique training! You would probably go with the PED option.

No-one is accusing anyone outright. Understand that. But, the argument is there, and many are unsure, but certainly wouldn't discount the possibility. WHICH IS THE OPTION I VOTED FOR!

[Elroy1]

Oh yeah man, you totally CREATED this thread because you give him the benifit of the doubt. Your opening post you barely even mentioned anything right? Lets recap:

-how can a fighter suddenly go from a decent accumulation puncher to a one-punch knockout artist, knocking fighters cold who were never KO'd before?

-Three solid fighters who were known for their durability and were expected to be tough fights for Povetkin. However, he has stopped all three in brutal fashion, not through accumulation but through raw power, 1 punch knockouts. No one in the division has been doing that to high level fighters, not even Wlad (mostly).

-Russian athletes are known for PED scandals

-Povetkin being on the juice would not at all surprise me.

- As long as he is fighting in Moscow with Ryabinsky controlling and promoting the events, he will not be caught if he is on PEDs.

Yep, here you are being totally unbiased and fair, and wouldn't suspect a thing as you give him the benifet of the doubt, which is why of course you created a thread talking about his possible PED use. Makes sense!




Oh really, you're not an expect? Well fuck me sideways! This is a shocking revelation being that you created this entire thread throwing around PED accusations at a pro athlete.



Like protein? Diet & exercise? Training? Punching technique? Weight lifting? Or is it only PEDs that produce KO's?




Well that CERTAINLY justifies making a thread regarding PED's then, thanks for clearing that up!

Let's make some more great threads of things that MIGHT be true:

-Floyd Mayweather MIGHT be part of the Illuminati.
-Gary Russell Jr. MIGHT be pregnant.
-Chris Arreola MIGHT be Egyptian.
-Lenox Lewis MIGHT be saying the word "definitely" right now.




Oh well hey now let's not go too crazy here! Change of team could have improved his game? I think we should stick with the more probable PED claim, don't you?

Brilliant thread mate. Please make moar.

That does it!!

Green K for this guy!

I have not seen such high quality serving for a long time!!!



Still crackin up!

[Guest]

That does it!!

Green K for this guy!

I have not seen such high quality serving for a long time!!!



Still crackin up!

It was definitely some ether.

I think you could make more conclusive arguments saying the fight was fixed.

That's a much easier route to go in a ko1 situation.

[ИATAS]

5. If anything, you are showing your agenda by doing the typical Russian denial thing...just deny everything - but he's Russian!!! It can't be true!!! Russian spirit!!! Mother Russia doe!!!

See, exactly what I'm talking about. "Typical Russian denial thing?" You're stereotyping Russians. Your agenda is in the open. You don't like the things I'm saying and you say it's typical Russian denial? I'm not even Russian you dolt.

6. The funniest thing is, if this was I don't know, a thread about Floyd KOing Manny or suddenly gaining power over 3 fights late in his career, and someone said - but it could be weights! supplements! technique training! You would probably go with the PED option.

WTF are you even talking about? I would go with a PED option? You literally make no sense here.

No-one is accusing anyone outright.

Yeah man, we get it. You're not accusing him of PEDs....outright. Just making a thread for everyone to see while laying down numerous points as to why you suspect he MIGHT be on PEDs ("he's Russian, duh!" & "he KO'd some mediocre heavyweights!", etc.). Real slick.

3. How am I not being unbiased and fair? It is a fact that sport in Russia is blighted by PED scandals - is that just me lying or let me guess it's Western propaganda and that is me making it up?

So is America. There are more steroids cases in the US than any other country. Baseball alone has had 100 players suspended from PED's since 2005. That's one hundred. Are we going to suspect every american boxer of PED's just because his country has a reputation for PEDs?

[-PBP-]

Povetkin is a damn good fighter and Olympic medalist. I just see a guy that's recommitted himself to boxing and is finally becoming the fighter most expected him to be.