Pacquiao Clean Punches Against Mayweather

[Johnwoo8686]

Here's a quote taken directly from one of your previous post.

"prime is determined by his physical and mental peak."

So by your estimates, Canelo was definitely NOT in his prime when he fought Floyd, seeing as how he was only 23 years old; which is 2 years short of the "physical peak" that you consider to to be "prime".

Why do you continue to contradict yourself?

How did I contradict myself? He was "only 23 years old?" Do you not realize that 23 is only 2 years shy of turning 25? I know math is not your strong suit but damn

I actually studied kinesiology in college and you respond with random articles talking about male menopause which is different than what we are talking about.

[IR0NFIST]

How did I contradict myself? He was "only 23 years old?" Do you not realize that 23 is only 2 years shy of turning 25? I know math is not your strong suit but damn

I actually studied kinesiology in college and you respond with random articles talking about male menopause which is different than what we are talking about.

You were heavily implying that a 23 year old Canelo was in his "prime" when he fought Floyd, then you completely contradicted yourself by stating that an athletes testosterone levels doesn't peak until the age of 25 to 30.

How can a 23 year old Canelo be in his "prime", yet based on your standards, he hasn't even reached the physical peak of his career yet? This is the inconsistency that you continue to display in your faulty argument.

It's painfully obvious that you're in some serious denial. Being an armchair scientist and an armchair kinesiologist won't change the fact that you lost this debate.

Now go sit in a corner and reflect on your failure.

[Calabis]

You were heavily implying that a 23 year old Canelo was in his "prime" when he fought Floyd, then you completely contradicted yourself by stating that an athletes testosterone levels doesn't peak until the age of 25 to 30.

How can a 23 year old Canelo be in his "prime", yet based on your standards, he hasn't even reached the physical peak of his career yet? This is the inconsistency that you continue to display in your faulty argument.

It's painfully obvious that you're in some serious denial. Being an armchair scientist and an armchair kinesiologist won't change the fact that you lost this debate.

Now go sit in a corner and reflect on your failure.

What part of prime years dont you understand?...I just posted a article from a study which states 22-30 are athletes prime years in a variety of sports....he was in his prime when he fought Floyd.....Floyd was well past his prime during this fight.

Or are u suggesting right after Floyd, he suddenly became "prime" when he struggled against Lara? Or is he now "prime" because he beat Kirkland, who is not elite and hadnt fought in 17 months?

Mentally Canelo may improve, but again physically he will not become quicker/stronger unless he becomes Manny, who somehow did this late in his life...as a matter of fact Canelo's physical attributes will start declining, so he has no choice but to become better mentally.

[Sirius Dogon]

Of course Canelo was in his prime! Most, if not all fighters are in their prime at 23. What an utterly daft thing to say. He'd had 43 pro fights over eight years and had been champion for years already, and was not only considered the best champion at 154, but was the unified, lineal jr middleweight champion.

You may differentiate between his absolute peak and being in his prime, and while it may be true for the former (we'll not know that for many years though when we've watched most of his career) it's definitely not for the latter. He was unquestionably in his prime then, just as he is now a little over one year later. He'd fought former veteran champions, current top champions, future HOF veterans, top contenders, brawlers, boxers, southpaws...

Dominating every single round and nearly stopping Mosley is struggling?

Would you say Canelo is in his prime now? He was basically 23, one or so months off, and is now 24. I doubt anyone questions the fact he is in his prime now, nor did they after whipping Angulo a few months after Floyd.

Name one fighter in the history of boxing who was in their prime at 23?!?Are you ****ing serious? I can't believe the utter ****e people bring up here. It's actually much, much, much harder to name fighters who weren't in their prime at 23.
Roberto Duran
Floyd Mayweather
Wilfred Benitez
Mike Tyson
Manny Pacquiao
Ray Leonard
Ray Robinson
Esteban De Jesus
Salvador Sanchez
Wilfredo Gomez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Meldrick Taylor
Erik Morales
Carlos Deleon
Michael Moorer
Edwin Rosario
Tony Canzoneri
Jimmy McLarnin
George Foreman
Pipino Cuevas
Fighting Harada
Manuel Medina
Lionel Rose
Ruben Olivares
Alexis Arguello
Ernesto Marcel
Jorge Arce
Jeff Fenech
Floyd Patterson
Muhammad Ali
Ted Kid Lewis
Naseem Hamed
Ben Villaflor
Hiroki Ioka
Kazuto Ioka
Roman Gonzalez
Oscar Delahoya
Hector Camacho
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Ricardo Arredondo
Alfonso Zamora
Fernando Vargas
Vincente Saldivar
Ismael Laguna
Donald Curry
Juan Francisco Estrada
Mando Ramos
Fernando Montiel
Juan Diaz
...and Canelo Alvarez.

I could literally just keep going on and on and on and on and on. That's just a bunch of guys I reeled out all off the top of my head, because most fighters are in their prime at 22/23. Many of these guys were already at or close to their peak too.

If an experienced, unified, lineal champion at his physical peak isn't in his prime, then no one ever is. He may get a bit better and reach his absolute peak in his mid to late twenties mentally before he physically declines, but that has nothing to do with him not being in his prime now and then. Any that thinks 22/23 year old Duran wasn't in his prime when he destroyed Esteban De Jesus or 23/24 year old Pacquiao when he destroyed Barrera is ****ing daft.

I'm pretty sure the 22 year old Floyd, having annihilated Hernandez and embarrassing Corrales a year or so later wasn't close to his prime either?

[IR0NFIST]

What part of prime years dont you understand?...I just posted a article from a study which states 22-30 are athletes prime years in a variety of sports....he was in his prime when he fought Floyd.....Floyd was well past his prime during this fight.

Or are u suggesting right after Floyd, he suddenly became "prime" when he struggled against Lara? Or is he now "prime" because he beat Kirkland, who is not elite and hadnt fought in 17 months?

Mentally Canelo may improve, but again physically he will not become quicker/stronger unless he becomes Manny, who somehow did this late in his life...as a matter of fact Canelo's physical attributes will start declining, so he has no choice but to become better mentally.

The article that you copypasta'd is lacking conclusive research in combat sports (specifically boxing), so it can't be applied to this discussion. Try again.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Manny's clean punches... Few and far between


When manny did let his hands go, he had success, but Floyd's defense and Jedi mind tricks basically shut down manny 75% of the time

[Calabis]

The article that you copypasta'd is lacking conclusive research in combat sports (specifically boxing), so it can't be applied to this discussion. Try again.

Lmao combat sports greatly decreases your prime....its make its that much shorter...and the article is from a study....jezus help this dude...please

Boxing is a young man's game. Until the age of 30, the body is on the upswing, building itself, getting stronger and stronger.

From 30 on, the loss of elasticity and resiliency is diminished - slowly, but progressively deteriorating until death. A boxer who fights after age 30 is helping nature along on its downhill course. A boxer who fights after 35 is pushing on the gas pedal, accelerating toward an early demise and making his trip there uncomfortable. The quality of his life after 40 will not only be speedily downhill but will carry with it the physical marks of his mistake

From NY Times in 1981

Taking a closer look, the impact of aging on performance rears its ugly head in most every sport by compromising endurance, motor function, muscular strength, and balance. So it should come as no surprise that more than 65 percent of U.S. Olympians are in their 20s. The same is true of professional athletes. Studies show that at age 24, a professional football player relying on strength will be peaking at the same time as a 24-year-old tennis player known for her foot speed . Only four years later will a star baseball player and an elite long-distance runner top out at about 28 years of age. Of course, performance declines vary slightly among sports and the sexes, but on average women tend to hit their performance ceiling before their male counterparts.

[IR0NFIST]

Lmao combat sports greatly decreases your prime....its make its that much shorter...and the article is from a study....jezus help this dude...please

Boxing is a young man's game. Until the age of 30, the body is on the upswing, building itself, getting stronger and stronger.

From 30 on, the loss of elasticity and resiliency is diminished - slowly, but progressively deteriorating until death. A boxer who fights after age 30 is helping nature along on its downhill course. A boxer who fights after 35 is pushing on the gas pedal, accelerating toward an early demise and making his trip there uncomfortable. The quality of his life after 40 will not only be speedily downhill but will carry with it the physical marks of his mistake

From NY Times in 1981

Taking a closer look, the impact of aging on performance rears its ugly head in most every sport by compromising endurance, motor function, muscular strength, and balance. So it should come as no surprise that more than 65 percent of U.S. Olympians are in their 20s. The same is true of professional athletes. Studies show that at age 24, a professional football player relying on strength will be peaking at the same time as a 24-year-old tennis player known for her foot speed . Only four years later will a star baseball player and an elite long-distance runner top out at about 28 years of age. Of course, performance declines vary slightly among sports and the sexes, but on average women tend to hit their performance ceiling before their male counterparts.

Are you seriously using research that was done 34 years ago as the basis of your argument? Not only that, but you're comparing a boxer-puncher like Canelo, to NFL athletes who spend the majority of their training days colliding into each other head first with impacts that resemble car accidents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/31/sp...anted=all&_r=0

The tackle, the art of making the ball carrier not stay in motion, is football's most primeval action. Amusing physicists the way batting averages do actuaries, collisions lead the highlight reels, impart the force of a deadly car crash.

This is you right now.

[Calabis]

Are you seriously using research that was done 34 years ago as the basis of your argument? Not only that, but you're comparing a boxer-puncher like Canelo, to NFL athletes who spend the majority of their training days colliding into each other head first with impacts that resemble car accidents.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/31/sp...anted=all&_r=0



This is you right now.

What the hell do you think a boxer feels after months of sparring and an actual match? Its a car wreck and they tend to suffer mini concussions throughout a match....far more boxers that cant speak then football players.

Lmao it doesnt matter that the article was written in 1981....its still fact today....the only reason you think otherwise, is because you are trying to support your ******ed logic that 23 is not a prime year for athletes....Not everyone can be your hero, who somehow got stronger and faster post 30 years of age.

And I posted a article from current era, but according to you its not based on research, which it was...but what else should I expect from a moron who doesnt know a athletes prime years are 22-30.

Guess Lebron is jumping higher than ever now....f'n NFL running backs are done at 30...so please tell me they were not prime athletically their 2nd/3rd year in the league at 23 yoa

[DeadLikeMe]

Just because modern medicine, nutrition and training techniques have extended athlete's careers...how in the hell would that be indicative of athletes entering their physical primes at a later stage in any way? How ****ing ****** would one have to be to even argue that?