Ricky Hatton Should Get A Lot Of Credit

[Hype job]

lol you're so bitter dunn, Pacquiao looked pretty unhappy for someone who just came for the cheque

your guy got the points win over a slowed down Pac 6 years later, take it and jog on because there's really no place talking about warriors with so much holding and running from the bigger man, it was enough to turn every new fan off for life

lmfao yeah exactly what happened to all that "Floyd TKO" "Floyd will walk him down" it was Pac chasing 90% of the fight

[Beater_of_ass]

Yep that's the key

Let's face it after the Marquez KO the notion of Pac Floyd was laughable, even after the Rios fight, and then Bradley 2 (decent win vs a pillow puncher) it didn't have the momentum.

Floyd fans acting like he beat a prime Pac

Fact no matter how u wanna slice it that was a very damaged Pac.

Floyd Sr reiterated it as did many others.

You don't recover from a KO like that.

You can not quote me when in another thread you're blaming Roach for Manny not being able to cut off the ring. Roach probably told Manny to do it 100 times, Roach could have done a better job than Manny at doing that. You can only lead a horse to water you can't make him drink it, that's Manny. Stop making excuses before agreeing with a post because it takes away from the win of Maywether. Manny also got schooled by an out of prime Floyd who didn't even look great, it was just shocking to see how bad Manny did and nothing more.

Watching a Floyd completely school someone I usually think "Man, he's really good." This fight I was watching Manny getting schooled and thinking stop falling for the same counter hook and slip/turn over and over. At some point Manny has to learn that is happening in front of his face and he couldn't even figure it out. Don't give me his shoulder hurt, he took the fight, the end. Cotto was weight drained and mentally ruined like Manny when they fought, he took the fight and hasn't made an excuse.

[megadeth]

lol did you actually read the drivel he typed? Don't get upset at me because I called him on it.

One guy ran and held, the other guy put the pressure on to make the fight and Dunn's talking about warriors, gtfo please.

He's right! Floyd is not the one that is considered a warrior, Pac is! For him to be called on that after he has been praised as one his whole career is not too much to ask. Pac fought tentatively and nothing like the guy that fought Marquez and others. He certainly didn't show that he was a "warrior" in this fight. Floyd did exactly what he is known for, Pac did not. Simple as that!

[The Big Dunn]

lol you're so bitter dunn, Pacquiao looked pretty unhappy for someone who just came for the cheque

your guy got the points win over a slowed down Pac 6 years later, take it and jog on because there's really no place talking about warriors with so much holding and running from the bigger man, it was enough to turn every new fan off for life

Your damn right I'm bitter. I'm pissed the **** off that Manny didn't try and ****ing win. I truly feel sorry for his real fans who love boxing because that is not what a great fighter does.

Take my points win. No son, that's not what I wanted. I wanted Manny to fight like his life depended on it so Floyd would have to do same. I wanted the Manny who was hungry and willing to keep punching so Floyd would be forced to go to the next level. Manny robbed me of that.

More to the point, that performance robbed all of us of the very thing that makes this sport great-the super fight. The fights where both guys leave some of themselves in the ring. The fights where men go to places seldom seen.

You take the points win. I want the respect for the sport I love.

[The Big Dunn]

lol at this nonsense

A man doesn't come to win, he says he won knowing he lost, he then lies and makes up an excuse that he can't even remember and has to lean over to his adviser to get the answer to a reporters question.

Maybe you need to address that.

[Beater_of_ass]

I didn't say it did-I said you can no longer celebrate his career. he pulled a Karl Malone-for all the greatness showed in his career when it REALLY mattered, he gave you nothing.

When he went face to face with the MAN in his era, he never mounted anything serious. There was never a point when I thought Manny was trying to win. he was just happy to be there. Sorry, but as a long time boxing fan I wanted to see more.

I was on NSB saying many would fight hard. I wasn't a poster who was saying this was going to be easy. Manny made the very worst Floyd fans-the ones who repeatedly said this would be an easy victory a virtual shutout-he made them all look like they know the sport better than the quality posters on this site.

Then the post fight presser. Really??? How can you respect someone who goes out like that.

reminder-I was the guy that killed Floyd after Maidana 2 for what I thought was a shameful performance in a win. Why would you expect me not to feel this way after what we saw Saturday?

You think Oscar went for the win when he fought Manny? Is this the first fighter to ever go for a cash-grab? This is still assuming everything you typed were true about Manny. You're assuming what you think happened to be reality, I think something different. Manny came in that fight wanting to beat Floyd, he got hit flush with a right hand in 30 seconds and his gameplan went from wanting to win; to just try and not get knocked out.

That's because he isn't the same guy and Floyd wasn't facing the Manny of old. That's not Manny's fault, it's Floyd for facing a faded version of a guy he would have handily beat even if Manny was juicing up. Manny was supposed to lose that fight by decision and that's what happened, nothing about his career has been tarnished. Well accept for his character after a loss, that's a fair criticism but not what he's done in his career.

[Weebler I]

Your damn right I'm bitter. I'm pissed the **** off that Manny didn't try and ****ing win. I truly feel sorry for his real fans who love boxing because that is not what a great fighter does.

Take my points win. No son, that's not what I wanted. I wanted Manny to fight like his life depended on it so Floyd would have to do same. I wanted the Manny who was hungry and willing to keep punching so Floyd would be forced to go to the next level. Manny robbed me of that.

More to the point, that performance robbed all of us of the very thing that makes this sport great-the super fight. The fights where both guys leave some of themselves in the ring. The fights where men go to places seldom seen.

You take the points win. I want the respect for the sport I love.

It takes two to tango, Pacquaio against almost anyone else is an entertaining fight, Mayweather against anyone else is more of the same running, holding and covering up. Some guys are born to run, others to stand and fight.

[The Big Dunn]

You think Oscar went for the win when he fought Manny? Is this the first fighter to ever go for a cash-grab? This is still assuming everything you typed were true about Manny. You're assuming what you think happened to be reality, I think something different. Manny came in that fight wanting to beat Floyd, he got hit flush with a right hand in 30 seconds and his gameplan went to not wanting to lose.

That's because he isn't the same guy and Floyd wasn't facing the Manny of old. That's not Manny's fault, it's Floyd for facing a faded version of a guy he would have handily beat even if Manny was juicing up. Manny was supposed to lose that fight by decision and that's what happened, nothing about his career has been tarnished. Well accept for his character after a loss, that's a fair criticism but not what he's done in his career.

I didn't say his career was tarnished nor did I imply it. I said it just can't be celebrated. Its still 1st ballot HOF'er worthy without question.

ALl I'm saying is no more warrior talk. Your rep is made on what you do against the very best.

Maybe I am being too harsh right now, but I think the Karl Malone comparison is very fair.

[The Big Dunn]

It takes two to tango, Pacquaio against almost anyone else is an entertaining fight, Mayweather against anyone else is more of the same running, holding and covering up. Some guys are born to run, others to stand and fight.

One guy fought exactly like you expected. the other guy didn't. STyles make fights, well one guy left his style at home.

Did you see my comments about Hatton? He got KO'd in part because he went out on his shield. he never stopped trying to win despite being hopelessly over matched IMO. Did Manny do that? NO.

Had Manny fought with his usual style, he may not have made it out of the 5th or 6th round. Maybe he may have caught Floyd and KHTFO. At least we'd have gotten a clean finish. When does the boxing fan in you show outrage for this?

I am old enough that the 1st fight I remember vividly is John Tate v Mike Weaver. I watched Weaver take 14 rounds of ass whopping and then he landed the one hitta quitta and won. That's all I am asking for. Manny didn't even do that.

If you are fine with Manny's performance then You and I obviously have a completely different expectation for what I expected from this fight.

How are you not pissed off that Manny never fought the way he always had and tried to win?

[Weebler I]

One guy fought exactly like you expected. the other guy didn't. STyles make fights, well one guy left his style at home.

Did you see my comments about Hatton? He got KO'd in part because he went out on his shield. he never stopped trying to win despite being hopelessly over matched IMO. Did Manny do that? NO.

Had Manny fought with his usual style, he may not have made it out of the 5th or 6th round. Maybe he may have caught Floyd and KHTFO. At least we'd have gotten a clean finish. When does the boxing fan in you show outrage for this?

I am old enough that the 1st fight I remember vividly is John Tate v Mike Weaver. I watched Weaver take 14 rounds of ass whopping and then he landed the one hitta quitta and won. That's all I am asking for. Manny didn't even do that.

If you are fine with Manny's performance then You and I obviously have a completely different expectation for what I expected from this fight.

How are you not pissed off that Manny never fought the way he always had and tried to win?

I think this is your real issue Dunn, no closure. Pacquiao had enough success to suggest the younger version would have did significantly better and that bothers you guys.

Manny's style has been different since he got KO'd by Marquez, he boxes more now. He's older and was possibly injured too, and didn't have the same energy in the championship rounds. Can't stay prime forever.