Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: I'm a Better Fighter Since Marquez Loss

[Strategic1]

Pacquiao is more conservative where as before he didn't have to be because he would hardly ever tire. That doesn't make him better though, that makes him more susceptible to being read. People thought Hopkins became a better fighter because he became more conservative too, they were wrong as well and many are wrong now.

I agree with this. But at the same, Pac is still hard to read. But for a guy like JMM, the slight decrease in stamina and workrate meant a lot. Nacho pointed out PAC was extremely unpredictable in the 1st 2 fights. You just didn't know what he was going to do.

I think he slowed down just enough for JMM to time him a bit better (although JMM always had his timing down). He landed more cleaner power shots in the 3rd fight because of it.

Mayweather hasn't been in the ring with PAC before. So it may take some time for Floyd. We will see. Mayweather will adjust ..mos def. Question is, how fast will he do so.

[SplitSecond]

Pacquiao is more conservative where as before he didn't have to be because he would hardly ever tire. That doesn't make him better though, that makes him more susceptible to being read. People thought Hopkins became a better fighter because he became more conservative too, they were wrong as well and many are wrong now.

being conservative does just the opposite of being easier to read

besides that i dont think he changed his style to accomodate stamina issues, he has always known when to take breathers, as fighters age, naturally there are more breaks, but the main difference in his style is his commitment and more defensive mind-set

[Strategic1]

Hypocrites are unable to see their hypocritical ways. He will never say it is the same even though anybody can see it is.

If you do your research, testing 4 days before the fight is pointless. Fighters take PED's to enhance their training. So that they can train harder, longer...or reap the benefits of it ie. better body, more defined muscles/more power.

Only 100% effective way is year round testing. Next best,...is random drug testing right even before training camp begins. Anything else, there will be loopholes for experts to exploit. That's the damn truth.

[The Big Dunn]

Look...It was a major bluff... It wasn't 2 weeks before the fight... Correction, it was 4 days away from the fight. No one was gonna test 4 days before the fight. And the fact is, PED's would have been used earlier on in training camp. JMM started camp 4-5 months before the fight. That's a long time for Memo to work his magic.

Then why didn't Manny have VADA testing as a stip in the contract?

You can't have it both ways-if JMM is suspect for not having/ not requesting/refusing testing for Bradley the same applies to Manny.

You have to be able to judge this without being upset that Manny lost by KO to an opponent you feel is inferior.

That's the thing with sour g****s-red, purple, green seeded or seedless they all sour at the same rate.

[Xi_]

who did he get his ass kicked by? i believe he won in all those years except 2012 when marquez finally ko him?

Marquez kicked his ass in each of those years I've mentioned......he was the favorite in every one of those fights too. Bradley beat him as well.

[Strategic1]

Then why didn't Manny have VADA testing as a stip in the contract?

You can't have it both ways-if JMM is suspect for not having/ not requesting/refusing testing for Bradley the same applies to Manny.

That's the thing with sour g****s-red, purple, green seeded or seedless they all sour at the same rate.

duhhhhh...He woke up to the reality of possible PED use once JMM knocked him out cold. He was ignorant to the fact or didn't fear anything. That reflected his fighting style at that time.

In Manny's next fight against Rios, he demanded VADA testing. What does that say? He and his team believe JMM could have been on PED's. Pac would never flat out accuse him though. Because Pac has class and knows 1st hand, a lawsuit could be dished out for any slander.

[Xi_]

Then why didn't Manny have VADA testing as a stip in the contract?

You can't have it both ways-if JMM is suspect for not having/ not requesting/refusing testing for Bradley the same applies to Manny.

You have to be able to judge this without being upset that Manny lost by KO to an opponent you feel is inferior.

That's the thing with sour g****s-red, purple, green seeded or seedless they all sour at the same rate.

I've said this to a lot of pacf@gs only to be ignored..... They have no answer. When Floyd beats the living crap out of pacquiao and May 2nd is over you'll see more excuses then ever......book it.

[The Big Dunn]

duhhhhh...He woke up to the reality of possible PED use once JMM knocked him out cold. He was ignorant to the fact or didn't fear anything. That reflected his fighting style at that time.

In Manny's next fight against Rios, he demanded VADA testing. What does that say? He and his team believe JMM could have been on PED's. Pac would never flat out accuse him though. Because Pac has class and knows 1st hand, a lawsuit could be dished out for any slander.

Dude, if you are basing Manny requesting testing for Rios based on JMM 4, ok that is valid given the fight happened after JMM 4. But you argued a fight that took place almost a year after Manny/JMM 4 showed the guilt of JMM in the Manny fight. That's ******ed and you should easily be able to see that.

The notion that he just woke up to the reality of PED use is preposterous given he refused testing 4 years prior and then argued for 3 years he had agreed to testing even though he didn't have any for his fights.

The bottom line is if you think JMM's actions indicate use, then the same thing holds for Manny. It would be better if you just came clean and admitted being upset that Manny lost and not wanting to look at the real reasons why he did is why you are doing this.

I'm ok with judging actions so long as you apply the same standards across the board.

[Doctor_Tenma]

being conservative does just the opposite of being easier to read

besides that i dont think he changed his style to accomodate stamina issues, he has always known when to take breathers, as fighters age, naturally there are more breaks, but the main difference in his style is his commitment and more defensive mind-set

That would depend on who we're talking about, being able to see what Pacquiao is plotting makes him in particular easier to read, and as said by Strategic, Nacho and Marquez acknowledged this going into the 3rd fight. In fact Marquez is even saying just that RIGHT NOW. To explain further, it's easier to see what Pacquiao is plotting because most of his game is still emphasized on setting up the straight left, not much variety in how he intends to get within his range.

It's one thing to possess a solid jab on the way in, or a lead right hook, or maybe a jab to the body downstairs, it's another to do the same ol' jab stutter step, or jab, jab straight left or simply lead with the straight left. Being conservative makes Pacquiao more readable.

[Strategic1]

I've said this to a lot of pacf@gs only to be ignored..... They have no answer. When Floyd beats the living crap out of pacquiao and May 2nd is over you'll see more excuses then ever......book it.

Many of the benefits of PED use happens months before the fight. Random testing needs to begin before training camp.

Comparing this to JMM ducking random testing for the Bradley fight is absurd. Bradley claimed it was part of the contract. And with all the signs of PED use that I listed, avoiding the tests supports my argument.