PBC Belts are in production

[Mitchell Kane]

LMAO

UFC and WWE did the exact same thing..

Vince early 80s went into other territories and outbid the other promotion for tv rights on the local affiliates... Look up Black Sunday WWF

UFC bought tons of airtime on regional fox sports outlets until they landed the Spike tv deal in 2005...

Both companies did exactly what haymon is doing

I didn't say time buys were a departure, it's the amounts he's spending to do it.

$20 million for NBC, $16 million for ESPN, etc.

Dana White's already outlined the differences...

http://www.boxingscene.com/ufcs-dana-white-applauds-ballsy-haymon-on-pbc-move--87944

[Humean]

It won't happen overnight.... Same thing was said about Vince mcmahon when he started invading other territories...
It will take about a decade to fully control the sport, or at least be the number 1 brand with a few minor "competitors"

wrestling= WWE
mma = UFC
boxing = PBC

Its been done before, its just that people don't have the long term vision..

If haymon is successful in landing his TV deal in 2 years, then by 2025 he should be the proverbial 800 lb gorilla and everyone else will be minor players just like bellator and WSOF in mma, and ROH and TNA in wrestling

Even if he gets a tv network to pay will they be able to cover the costs of his shows? His top fighters are overvalued and at present his biggest fights will end up on showtime. Haymon seems to be trying to use these other platforms to help develop a fanbase that presumably he hopes will end up paying handsomely, in the form of PPV buys, for big fights in the future. Haymon needs a big star, Wilder might be the one but the rest of his current stars are very underwhelming.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I didn't say time buys were a departure, it's the amounts he's spending to do it.

$20 million for NBC, $16 million for ESPN, etc.

Dana White's already outlined the differences...
http://www.boxingscene.com/ufcs-dana...bc-move--87944

yes, i understand that its a huge amount of capital, but they are getting prime timeslots on major networks,,, that doesn't come cheap.. Its not like some random late night infomercial, or regional fox sports outlet..

and haymon has raised the money thru private equity firms, and if guys in silicon valley are investing in him, he must have a rock solid business plan..
None of us are privy to the details, but if major private equity firms are backing him, its a good sign that Haymon has a rock solid business plan...
Private equity guys aren't going to front a 100 million unless they see huge potential in what he is doing....
These guys are sharks and shrewd with the money, and its a good sign if they have faith in haymow's plans

[KRITKL]

LMAO


how is it that WWE and UFC were able to accomplish it, yet PBC won't....

I see what your saying. it's just that the comparisons aren't the same.
WWF was already a top brand. UFC was a known name. PBC is starting from nothing. The competition that WWF and UFC were up against also wasn't a giant like HBO.
Having a few name fighter and saying they are the best doesn't make it so, unless he gets guys to jump ship(which I don't see happening)his venture will be a niche in boxing as a whole.
As I said Boxing is too global to be taken over.

does this help you.
So rich guys backing you means it won't fail. Gotcha
Not saying it won't work, just doesn't look promising to me.

[The Gambler1981]

MLB is America's long standing favorite pastime. Boxing is a niche' sport at best, and Haymon's venture is in it's infancy. There's simply no comparing the two.

In one breath, you speculate that Haymon's losses could be moot if he makes 10 times that amount. That's a big "if". In the next breath, you say it doesn't matter how much he loses, as long he can create value equal to or greater than that which he is burning. A business that breaks even isn't considered successful. The venture capitalists who invested in Haymon expect a profit, bet on it.

Baseball is falling in popularity and has been for decades.

The point is losing money can be a means to an end and he is trying to create a brand that has value. If his brand value goes up him losing money is just a wash in the end because he will be getting that money back in the end when he cashes out.

You aren't breaking even if your value is going up much faster than the money you are burning.

Boxing was also the most popular sport in America at one time~

[Barcham]

yes, i understand that its a huge amount of capital, but they are getting prime timeslots on major networks,,, that doesn't come cheap.. Its not like some random late night infomercial, or regional fox sports outlet..

and haymon has raised the money thru private equity firms, and if guys in silicon valley are investing in him, he must have a rock solid business plan..
None of us are privy to the details, but if major private equity firms are backing him, its a good sign that Haymon has a rock solid business plan...
Private equity guys aren't going to front a 100 million unless they see huge potential in what he is doing....
These guys are sharks and shrewd with the money, and its a good sign if they have faith in haymow's plans

They are not getting prime slots on network television, that would be Thursday nights from 8 to 10 PM. They are getting Saturday night timeslots where nothing of value is usually scheduled. It is usually rerun night or documentary crime shows or other crap. That is hardly prime network slots.

[Barcham]

does this help you.
So rich guys backing you means it won't fail. Gotcha
Not saying it won't work, just doesn't look promising to me.

Donald Trump has never gone bankrupt either.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Even if he gets a tv network to pay will they be able to cover the costs of his shows? His top fighters are overvalued and at present his biggest fights will end up on showtime. Haymon seems to be trying to use these other platforms to help develop a fanbase that presumably he hopes will end up paying handsomely, in the form of PPV buys, for big fights in the future. Haymon needs a big star, Wilder might be the one but the rest of his current stars are very underwhelming.

Good points,,, but roughly i think the game plan is to land a deal similar to UFC which is a little over 100 mil per year...
Haymon spends 60 mil on fighters, 25 mil on productions costs, him and investors pocket the rest.. Plus they still have ticket sales and in ring sponsors..

Private equity would not be messing with Haymon if he didn't have a great plan and a chance for big money down the road...

I agree that he needs stars, and thats why they aren't worried about between round commercials and instead focusing on highlighting upcoming fights/fighters//

The key is to get people to know the fighters, once they know the fighters, fans will have a connection..
NFL does great at this, because college football makes stars and once they hit the NFL they are know commodities i.e. tebow, manziel, etc....

the key to all sports and especially combat sports is that the audience knows the fighters/athletes
70s and 80s were huge for boxing because the olympics and free tv established guys like duran, leonard, hearns, ali, etc etc....
Haymon is trying to recreate that... It will take time, but the key is to make guys like broner, ghost, maidana, khan, thurman, porter etc into known names like duran, camacho, spinks, etc were...

The only way to do that, is to constantly bombard the casual fan, which is what PBC is doing in their first few broadcasts

[Mitchell Kane]

yes, i understand that its a huge amount of capital, but they are getting prime timeslots on major networks,,, that doesn't come cheap.. Its not like some random late night infomercial, or regional fox sports outlet..

and haymon has raised the money thru private equity firms, and if guys in silicon valley are investing in him, he must have a rock solid business plan..
None of us are privy to the details, but if major private equity firms are backing him, its a good sign that Haymon has a rock solid business plan...
Private equity guys aren't going to front a 100 million unless they see huge potential in what he is doing....
These guys are sharks and shrewd with the money, and its a good sign if they have faith in haymow's plans

How much do private equity firms know about the business of boxing?

[Mitchell Kane]

Baseball is falling in popularity and has been for decades.

The point is losing money can be a means to an end and he is trying to create a brand that has value. If his brand value goes up him losing money is just a wash in the end because he will be getting that money back in the end when he cashes out.

You aren't breaking even if your value is going up much faster than the money you are burning.

Boxing was also the most popular sport in America at one time~

MLB is making more money than ever, thanks to TV contracts...

"The league will see approx. $9 billion in gross revenues for the 2014 calendar year, a new record. Adjustments are still be calculated that could push the league slightly over the threshold with the value being described as ***8220;right there***8221; in relation to $9 billion. That figure is up from $8 billion just last year, a staggering increase of 13 percent."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2014/12/10/major-league-baseball-sees-record-9-billion-in-revenues-for-2014/