PBC Belts are in production

[Dr Rumack]

Ultimately it comes down to control of budgets, not belts. Haymon's NBC venture has been possible because his acquisition of fighters was subsidised by Showtime's boxing budget and Golden Boy's promotional spend. The whole thing of Golden Boy pushing his fighters while having no future options on them was only possible through the underhanded shit that Schaeffer was doing.

The WBC/WBO/IBF/WBA aren't the real threat to Haymon. HBO are. They're the ones offering an alternate version of reality to the one Haymon's pushing on NBC, where Wilder is the heavyweight champion.

More importantly, they're the ones with a budget and with dates that Haymon doesn't control. They're showcasing Pacquiao, Gonzalez, Crawford, Mikey, Golovkin, Ward, Kovalev, Bradley and all these other guys Haymon would rather pretend didn't exist.

The key for Haymon isn't destroying the alphabet organisations, it's taking those HBO dates for himself or destroying the rival promoters that could take them.

If he had the HBO dates, he'd have everything. Without them, he's just another WBU, albeit a better financed version.

[Humean]

I disagree.... Boxing has been resting on its laurels for decades now... Haymon is shrewd, saw an opening, and is going for it big time...

Will he succeed, the jury is out, but if he follows the WWE and UFC blueprint, then i like his chances a lot better...

The one advantage he has is that his brand will work like a well oiled machine in harmony and it will be impossible to get the sanctioning bodies and other promoters to work together long term..

Back when WWE starting taking over in the 80s, the old school territories banded together (crockett, AWA, NWA, etc) and did the SuperClash cards but couldn't sustain anything because there was too many chiefs and not enough indians...

The competition is far too strong elsewhere for Haymon to have anywhere close to full control of the sport. If he really thinks he is capable of achieving that then his own vanity is outstripping reality. Haymon is just the latest charlatan and he is a fairly old one at that.

[Mitchell Kane]

Will he succeed, the jury is out, but if he follows the WWE and UFC blueprint, then i like his chances a lot better...

He's already departed from the blueprint by spending tens of millions of dollars on tv deals right out of the gate.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

He's already departed from the blueprint by spending tens of millions of dollars on tv deals right out of the gate.

LMAO

UFC and WWE did the exact same thing..

Vince early 80s went into other territories and outbid the other promotion for tv rights on the local affiliates... Look up Black Sunday WWF

UFC bought tons of airtime on regional fox sports outlets until they landed the Spike tv deal in 2005...

Both companies did exactly what haymon is doing

[SUBZER0ED]

Th Detroit Tiger lost 20 million dollar last year, know why their owner doesn't give a ****?

Because their value jumped from 750 million to over 1 billion according to Forbes. How small is losing 20 million if the value of your venture goes up more than ten times the amount you lost?

The could lose any amount and it doesn't matter much as long as they are creating value in some form equal to or greater than the am=mount they are burning.

MLB is America's long standing favorite pastime. Boxing is a niche' sport at best, and Haymon's venture is in it's infancy. There's simply no comparing the two.

In one breath, you speculate that Haymon's losses could be moot if he makes 10 times that amount. That's a big "if". In the next breath, you say it doesn't matter how much he loses, as long he can create value equal to or greater than that which he is burning. A business that breaks even isn't considered successful. The venture capitalists who invested in Haymon expect a profit, bet on it.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The competition is far too strong elsewhere for Haymon to have anywhere close to full control of the sport. If he really thinks he is capable of achieving that then his own vanity is outstripping reality. Haymon is just the latest charlatan and he is a fairly old one at that.

It won't happen overnight.... Same thing was said about Vince mcmahon when he started invading other territories...
It will take about a decade to fully control the sport, or at least be the number 1 brand with a few minor "competitors"

wrestling= WWE
mma = UFC
boxing = PBC

Its been done before, its just that people don't have the long term vision..

If haymon is successful in landing his TV deal in 2 years, then by 2025 he should be the proverbial 800 lb gorilla and everyone else will be minor players just like bellator and WSOF in mma, and ROH and TNA in wrestling

[KRITKL]

The competition is far too strong elsewhere for Haymon to have anywhere close to full control of the sport. If he really thinks he is capable of achieving that then his own vanity is outstripping reality. Haymon is just the latest charlatan and he is a fairly old one at that.

Good post.
Haymon will never be able to control the sport. Might get a niche in the North American market for his shows, but boxing as a whole is a global sport.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Good post.
Haymon will never be able to control the sport. Might get a niche in the North American market for his shows, but boxing as a whole is a global sport.

LMAO


how is it that WWE and UFC were able to accomplish it, yet PBC won't....

[KRITKL]

It won't happen overnight.... Same thing was said about Vince mcmahon when he started invading other territories...
It will take about a decade to fully control the sport, or at least be the number 1 brand with a few minor "competitors"

wrestling= WWE
mma = UFC
boxing = PBC

Its been done before, its just that people don't have the long term vision..

If haymon is successful in landing his TV deal in 2 years, then by 2025 he should be the proverbial 800 lb gorilla and everyone else will be minor players just like bellator and WSOF in mma, and ROH and TNA in wrestling

I see what your saying. it's just that the comparisons aren't the same.
WWF was already a top brand. UFC was a known name. PBC is starting from nothing. The competition that WWF and UFC were up against also wasn't a giant like HBO.
Having a few name fighter and saying they are the best doesn't make it so, unless he gets guys to jump ship(which I don't see happening)his venture will be a niche in boxing as a whole.
As I said Boxing is too global to be taken over.

[Nic-NC]

I've been a big advocate of Haymon. I even looked the other way when he used legal trickery to play manager and promoter at the same time. However if he starts in as his own sanctioning body, now we're getting into UFC like territory. It's embarrassing enough when joke promotions like BKB introduce their own title belts, but if PBC is going down that road too, it's going to seriously hurt the fledgling credibility they have.