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[Mitchell Kane]

Mcmahon and dana white knew that once you start co-promoting your only hurting your own brand as people will never look at you as THE TITLE..

Exactly my point.

But if they don't co-promote, how are they going to get legitimacy when there's so many established champions and world class fighters that aren't a part of the PBC?

The PBC can give a title to Deontay Wilder, but if he doesn't beat Wladimir Klitschko, or a successor of Klitsckho's, then it won't be viewed as legitimate.

Pro Wrestling is entertainment...the notion of title "legitimacy" in the WWF is a joke to begin with.

And MMA, in it's current form, was more or less invented by the UFC...there weren't a lot of other established en****** they had to go up against, which gave them the freedom to establish their own brand/rules/titles.

[Barcham]

He'll still need promoters or he will be in violation of the Ali Act.

No, he won't as long as he cancels his personal services contracts with the fighters. He will have to do that anyways as if he does not do it, eventually some fighter or other will actually wake up and realize that he is basically a slave to Al Haymon and challenge his contract in court. The day this happens, the floodgates open and it all comes tumbling down.

Much safer for Haymon to cancel all contracts and have all fighters sign exclusive deals with PBC. This way, no Ali Act violations will occur as he will no longer be the manager or advisor to any fighter and they will still be signed to exclusive Haymon/PBC contracts. If he does this he will run the risk of losing any fighters who are not in favour of his new boxing organization but I can see the majority of his fighters signing their lives away because they simply are not very bright.

[North Star]

Every professional sport: PGA, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS, NASCAR, etc. operate under this business model. All of them are kicking boxing's ass right now.

The big difference is that those sports have some type of legislative legitimacy. This is why they are not as corrupt as boxing is. The biggest hurdle with getting a national commission for boxing, would be that it is only for the US. Boxing is global, something the NBA, NFL, and MLB are not.

If anything, there needs to be a governing body over the sport like there is for tennis.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Exactly my point.

But if they don't co-promote, how are they going to get legitimacy when there's so many established champions and world class fighters that aren't a part of the PBC?

The PBC can give a title to Deontay Wilder, but if he doesn't beat Wladimir Klitschko, or a successor of Klitsckho's, then it won't be viewed as legitimate.

Pro Wrestling is entertainment...the notion of title "legitimacy" in the WWF is a joke to begin with.

And MMA, in it's current form, was more or less invented by the UFC...there weren't a lot of other established en****** they had to go up against, which gave them the freedom to establish their own brand/rules/titles.

Like i said,, it will take time...

we won't have a true champ for awhile, but eventually probably 2020, we will have one...
UFC and pride went back and forth, same thing with WWE and WCW...

This will take 3-10 years to fully develop this system

[The Gambler1981]

If Al Haymon has his way he will make those promotional companies go bankcrupt. That is why Bob and Oscar are back to being friends they know they will need each other. If Haymon decides to invest and sign big Puerto Rican and Mexican prospects you can say good bye to Top Rank and Golden Boy. Those are the back bones of those two.

It will be the carrot and stick I think, you want to know the funny thing Arum will be the most likely to get the carrot. I think Arum see the writing on the wall, but I don't think he has any intention of really working with Oscar, if he did it would be in full effect by now.

If you catch my drift, that sort of move is checkmate for everyone else.

[Mitchell Kane]

If Haymon decides to invest and sign big Puerto Rican and Mexican prospects you can say good bye to Top Rank and Golden Boy.

Have you seen their rosters?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The big difference is that those sports have some type of legislative legitimacy. This is why they are not as corrupt as boxing is. The biggest hurdle with getting a national commission for boxing, would be that it is only for the US. Boxing is global, something the NBA, NFL, and MLB are not.

If anything, there needs to be a governing body over the sport like there is for tennis.

UFC and WWE are both global....

PBC will build there brand awareness, just like UFC, WWE, Apple, Pepsi, etc

Its gonna take time, but you gotta start somewhere.. Haymon is only about 10% of the way there...

[Barcham]

He doesnt want them to unite. He wants to wipe them out and have only 1 belt per division like the UFC.

He will never wipe them out. They will continue to be relevant in the international boxing world.

WWE is international, so is UFC..... PBC can to...

None of this will happen overnight... many steps to this process

1. sign fighters
2. get timeslots
3. get your own belts
4. build PBC brand and secure TV deals
5. Look to go international,, first in canada and mexico, then UK, etc..

This will take years to accomplish but its feasible..

WWE and UFC are nowhere near as popular internationally as are other organizations. Do you think Japan does not have their own versions of those sports? As do many other countries? Americans have tunnel vision and blinders on. They see little that happens in the rest of the world as having any importance to them. The rest of the world does not play American football. We don't even play the same game up here in Canada. Baseball is not a major sport outside the US. Soccer, as Americans call real football, dwarfs all US sports in terms of popularity while in the US it is a fringe sport.

Can PBC succeed? Yes. Can it replace existing sanctioning bodies and take over boxing in the world as a whole? Not a chance in hell.

[The Gambler1981]

Do they still sell buggy whips in large quan******, because that is what the sanctioning bodies look like buggy whip companies when automobiles are coming out.

[North Star]

UFC and WWE are both global....

PBC will build there brand awareness, just like UFC, WWE, Apple, Pepsi, etc

Its gonna take time, but you gotta start somewhere.. Haymon is only about 10% of the way there...

I don't give a **** if WWE is global. It's FAKE!

UFC is successful because there weren't any other MMA organizations in the US to compete. Their only competition was Pride FC and to a lesser extent, Pancraese. Once Pride went under, the UFC vacuum ate everything up. Boxing is not similar in any shape or form to the emergence of MMA.