PBC Belts are in production

[Barcham]

No he doesn't. Fighters have their own managers, i.e. Canelo/Reynoso, Maidana/Contursi, Garcia/his dad, Lara/DeCubas, Alexander/Cunningham, Bradley/wife, Rios/Dunkin, etc. etc.

PBC is the entity, the fighters will have their managers to negotiate on their behalf and promoters will compete by bid for the rights to promote an event. This is a perfect structure for boxing.

All contracts with Haymon will have to be converted to contracts with PBC. Haymon's advisor contracts give him more power over a fighter than a manager has, and Haymon also acts as manager to some fighters. Can your boss at work have a separate personal services contract with you to negotiate on your behalf for better working conditions and pay? I really don't think so.

It's amazing how otherwise intelligent people are so willing to be blinded by Haymon and his schemes. Sad to see.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You do realize that Haymon will have to cancel every contract he has as an advisor or manager with every fighter, don't you? If not, he is in conflict of interest in one hell of a big way. He cannot start a boxing league and become in effect the boss of all his fighters and be their personal representative at the same time. How will he negotiate contracts? By discussing it with himself in a mirror? Can you imagine Bud Selig while being Commissioner of Baseball, also being in charge of the players' union? Or a team owner being in charge of a players' union in any sport?It simply will not fly.

I understand that fighters are not the brightest individuals on the planet, but even so, eventually one of them will open their eyes and realize that something is very, very wrong with this picture.

I have no idea how some posters actually think this is a good idea. It may end up doing so much damage to the sport that it will take decades to repair, if ever.

Im pretty sure al haymon has thought thru the legalities of what he is trying to do..
He is going to become boxing's version of Zuffa in MMA..

[-PBP-]

All contracts with Haymon will have to be converted to contracts with PBC. Haymon's advisor contracts give him more power over a fighter than a manager has, and Haymon also acts as manager to some fighters. Can your boss at work have a separate personal services contract with you to negotiate on your behalf for better working conditions and pay? I really don't think so.

It's amazing how otherwise intelligent people are so willing to be blinded by Haymon and his schemes. Sad to see.

Haymon is graduated from Harvard Law School. I'm sure the legalities will be worked out. And fighters will follow the money. If PBC is where the money is they will sign contracts with PBC.

[Mitchell Kane]

They will get less for whatever they do than they would have got from the Garcia-Petterson fight.

Getting less for Garcia-Peterson doesn't exactly prove that Haymon's fighters bring in more money....

Yea but the amount of the sanctioning fees depends on the purse, Haymon's fighters bring them more money than those guys.

[Kagami Taiga]

As long as PBC remains open to working with other, smaller promotions, who cares about the belts. Not making any excuses or saying this will work, but the devil is in the details. And we don't have those yet. Either way, fans play a big part in whether this sinks or swim. I'm not completely convinced buy I'm not completely turned off either.

[The Gambler1981]

Every professional sport: PGA, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS, NASCAR, etc. operate under this business model. All of them are kicking boxing's ass right now.

When boxing was originally number 1 to begin with. People still like watching dudes fist fight I know that for a fact, so the situation can really change a lot.

I can kind of feel some of the sentiment to boxing as it is now because it is the only thing like it around, it is like looking into the past. However, a lot of people complain incessantly about boxing and the only way to change those issues is to burn down the rotten structure and start over.

It could end up a vacant lot or a high rise luxury condo, but it won't be the same rotting structure after.

[The Gambler1981]

Getting less for Garcia-Peterson doesn't exactly prove that Haymon's fighters bring in more money....

They would have got more from that fight than they will from whatever fights they make in their place. Even if you separate them they could get more because Haymon bring cash.


The alphabet organization live on sanctioning fees, if they have to take a huge hit in the amount getting paid for those fight that has real effect on their organizations. Organizations that are not known for their backbone.

If you don't understand this no point in continuing, the alphabets are parasites with no host they can't survive.

[Barcham]

Every professional sport: PGA, NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, MLS, NASCAR, etc. operate under this business model. All of them are kicking boxing's ass right now.

Find me one person involved in the ownership or running of any of those organizations or team within an organization who also has personal service contracts to act as a manager or advisor with ANY athlete competing in the league. Even the most corrupt individual in sports, Bernie Ecclestone of Formula One, would not attempt to try crap like that.

If Haymon wants to be the god of boxing, I have no problem with him giving it his best shot. As long as he cancels all his contracts with all fighters and is only involved in the running of the PBC.

As for comparing boxing with any major sports league: GET SERIOUS!!! Boxing has never been at that level, is not at this level now and will never in the future of the world ever attain such a level. In a world where violent sports are being more and more heavily regulated, with investigations and inquiries into head injuries in football and hockey, with more restrictive rules and increased protective equipment being introduced every year, we should all be happy that boxing and other professional martial art competition is even permitted to continue to exist in any form at all.

[-PBP-]

Find me one person involved in the ownership or running of any of those organizations or team within an organization who also has personal service contracts to act as a manager or advisor with ANY athlete competing in the league. Even the most corrupt individual in sports, Bernie Ecclestone of Formula One, would not attempt to try crap like that.

If Haymon wants to be the god of boxing, I have no problem with him giving it his best shot. As long as he cancels all his contracts with all fighters and is only involved in the running of the PBC.

As for comparing boxing with any major sports league: GET SERIOUS!!! Boxing has never been at that level, is not at this level now and will never in the future of the world ever attain such a level. In a world where violent sports are being more and more heavily regulated, with investigations and inquiries into head injuries in football and hockey, with more restrictive rules and increased protective equipment being introduced every year, we should all be happy that boxing and other professional martial art competition is even permitted to continue to exist in any form at all.

You're speculating. You don't know what a typical PBC contract or a Haymon adviser contract looks like. For all you know he could have advised them to not sign any promotional contracts until PBC was formed. Fighters have qualified managers to look out for them on their behalf and if they see a conflict of interest they would not sign up to do this PBC venture.

And I see no reason why boxing can't be operated as a well regulated sports league with a single champion and a formal ranking system.

Look at the current system:

WBC Champion
WBC Interim Champion

WBA Super Champion
WBA Regular Champion
WBC Interim Champion

IBF Champion
IBF Interim CHampion

WBO Champion
WBO Interim Champion

9 belts x 18 divisions = 162 world champions. Give me a ****ing break. And you're happy with this system?

[Mitchell Kane]

As long as PBC remains open to working with other, smaller promotions, who cares about the belts. Not making any excuses or saying this will work, but the devil is in the details. And we don't have those yet. Either way, fans play a big part in whether this sinks or swim. I'm not completely convinced buy I'm not completely turned off either.

It raises questions about whether they would work with other promoters.

If the PBC has a champion, would they be willing to put together a fight where a non-PBC fighter could beat their champion?

Because that would diminish their title/champion.