What hurts a fighter's stock more a Loss or Ducking?

[SUBZER0ED]

Alright Stevenson.

He has flushed all his momentum down the toilet with his career. However, how bad off is he if he takes care of business against Bika on national TV?People will still want the Kovalev fight and the fight will essentially be bigger than it was when people wanted it to begin with. So how much is that really hurting him? That is mosquito bite like in comparison to getting back from a loss because people will think you will lose to that guy and anyone remotely like him until proven otherwise.

Bika! The guy's not even a real LHW! Stevenson beating up on Bika in lew of the fights he could have had, make him look like an even bigger clown!! Here's an interesting thought on a loss being more devastating to Stevenson, which is predicated on his ducks: What if Bika wins?

[HeGotPacProblem]

Ducking is worse....Rocky and Calzaghe are undefeated ATGs but theyre not even considered top 5 ever by most folks. SRR considered by many as the goat had 19 losses.

[The Big Dunn]

His stock didn't go down... I don't know what Dunn was trying to say about Broner and Oscar, but everything else in that post was spot on. Canelo's stock didn't go down... you have to be trolling. I think he's crap and overratted and that was BEFORE he fought Floyd and I still thought he'd win 3 rounds. I thought he was **** before and his stock still went down with me with that farce of a performance. His buyrates dropped off by 2 million viewers... I don't know what to say other than you're ******. I mean that as respectfully as possible as well by the way but that's the only explanation for an idiotic comment like that.

My point was a guy like Deevel916 is very selective when he uses the term duck.

When guys he likes, for example, odh refuses to fight Floyd for years or a Manny doesn't respond to a call out, he doesn't label that a duck. If, for example, Floyd doesn't respond to Khan, then he labels that a duck. That isn't equal.

Then he puts in the caveat that ,"there are better opponents available". So if someone calls a fighter he likes out for ducking he justifies it by listing 3 or 4 "better" fighters even though they were not looking to fight the guy he likes.

[SUBZER0ED]

What the hell is "loosing"? It's "losing"

[f15bone]

Its all subjective & depends on the fighter & situation...

I think ducking hurts a fighter far more in their formative stages as opposed to once they're established & have a proven track record to stand on...

I really hate it when good prospects are maneuvered in a way that has them avoiding certain styles or in extreme cases fighters from ethnic backgrounds management deems too risky...

This kind of ducking is counterproductive & does little for the overall development of said boxer...

As for the established guys i.e. Stevenson, LSC, & Cotto...The ducking allegations only help to build up momentum & anticipation for next fight regardless of the opponent...

Take Adonis for instance, despite all the criticism and hoopla behind his backing out of fights with Korobov & Kovalev he STILL will be making a career high purse for facing Andy Lee & if successful, even more lucrative fights at 160 loom in the future...

None of the aforementioned fighters have been affected negatively as far as their respective careers are concerned...They're making more money than ever & guys are lining up to fight them....Aside from the backlash they've recieved from social media, I really don't see how their PERCEIVED ducking has affected them business wise or their bottom lines...

[Beater_of_ass]

Stop being such a cotto cackboy and take the blinders off.

Buy rates dropped off by 2mil? So did Floyd's after Oscar! Does that mean Floyd's stock diminished due to his buyrates dropping off?

Canelo can fight any of the top guys in the division and still outsell Cotto vs the same guys. He's done it already!

I didn't even mention Cotto in my post... are you on drugs? Take the blindfolds off? I'm not the one saying "Canelo lost but his stock didn't falter at all." Yeah, must be ******ity no other reason for dumb statements that make you look foolish like this.

Floyd's stock went up because he beat Oscar, so did his buyrates actually. Canelo went from 2.5 million to 300k... Floyd went from 300k to 2.4 million when he faced Oscar. That was all of Oscars drawing power as to why the buyrate got that high. After that win Floyd's PPV's went from 300k without Oscar to 1 million MINIMUM without Oscar.

As for as Canelo outdrawing Cotto for one fight that's great for him, he was still riding Floyd's drawing power. Since then he hasn't done better than 350k buys... that's a drop off. Then again maybe going from undercard fighter to PPV star is a jump in stock for Canelo so a loss to Floyd was a good thing for him. Instead of the opening act to the Floyd show, he's not the closing act going on after his replays.

[Beater_of_ass]

My point was a guy like Deevel916 is very selective when he uses the term duck.

When guys he likes, for example, odh refuses to fight Floyd for years or a Manny doesn't really spend to a call out, he doesn't label that a duck. If, for example, Floyd doesn't respond to Khan, then he labels that a duck. That isn't equal.

Then he puts in the caveat that ,"there are better opponents available". So if someone calls a fighter he likes out for ducking he justifies it by listing 3 or 4 "better" fighters even though they were not looking to fight the guy he likes.

Oh no, I got you. Cotto is ducking GGG, but Canelo fighting at MW against a JMW isn't ducking GGG because:

A - HE REALLY REALLY want Cotto so it's okay. (Like Cotto wants Floyd)
B - He really isn't a MW (Even though he's fighting at MW)
C - The timing isn't right yet, because the Cotto fight makes more sense.

[MrTambourineMan]

My point was a guy like Deevel916 is very selective when he uses the term duck.

When guys he likes, for example, odh refuses to fight Floyd for years or a Manny doesn't respond to a call out, he doesn't label that a duck. If, for example, Floyd doesn't respond to Khan, then he labels that a duck. That isn't equal.

Then he puts in the caveat that ,"there are better opponents available". So if someone calls a fighter he likes out for ducking he justifies it by listing 3 or 4 "better" fighters even though they were not looking to fight the guy he likes.

This is called 'Situation Management'

You take an idea or situation ( In Big Dumbo's Case - Posters who think Floyd's Career isn't all that - and that his fans have embarrassed themselves for years now ) and you pick and twist at it Until you have a warped version that suits your agenda

This of course leads to a dangerous way of thinking that says: "If this person is against my idea then other's must be too.

" Then the Delusion really kicks in."

They'll throw in lies with the occasional Half-Truth and be vocal in an attempt to try and Have themselves be taken seriously.

It really is Cult like

[The Big Dunn]

Oh no, I got you. Cotto is ducking GGG, but Canelo fighting at MW against a JMW isn't ducking GGG because:

A - HE REALLY REALLY want Cotto so it's okay. (Like Cotto wants Floyd)
B - He really isn't a MW (Even though he's fighting at MW)
C - The timing isn't right yet, because the Cotto fight makes more sense.

Yeah you're getting it. When deevel916 applies his standards for ducking equally to all fighters, then his point will have some validity.

[The Big Dunn]

This is called 'Situation Management'

You take an idea or situation ( In Big Dumbo's Case - Posters who think Floyd's Career isn't all that - and that his fans have embarrassed themselves for years now ) and you pick and twist at it Until you have a warped version that suits your agenda

This of course leads to a dangerous way of thinking that says: "If this person is against my idea then other's must be too.

" Then the Delusion really kicks in."

They'll throw in lies with the occasional Half-Truth and be vocal in an attempt to try and Have themselves be taken seriously.

It really is Cult like

Ahh the frame the poster to try and weaken the point. Typical. It's called apply equally. So in your case, suck both my nuts, not just the left one.