What hurts a fighter's stock more a Loss or Ducking?

[ea22]

You read my response. In bowe's case his career is finished. So that is a duck. The others you listed haven't fought yet as their careers are not over. There is a difference.

I explained my points about you twice. You using " Etc. " In no way shape or form meant you are treating everyone equally. You bringing up Haymon means nothing as I didn't bring his name up. your selectively in that respect illustrates your biases.

When you apply ducking equally, then your point has more validity. Until then, it's not hard to tell what you really are doing.

"Their careers are not over", come on man, so are you trying to argue that the time a fight takes place doesn't matter? Fighters can change a lot in the span of even a year for the good or for the bad, most often the bad. Fighting someone years past their prime isn't the same as taking them while they are at their best.

[The Big Dunn]

Doesn't matter if they haven't fought yet. The fact remains that they all had the opportunity to fight yet chose otherwise.

Which goes to the point I made to beater. when boxers you like do this, you conveniently make a list of few boxers and say they are better solely to justify them selecting others to fight.

So in bowe's case- ducking Lewis was worse than losing to holyfield. His career being over, we can clearly state it was a duck.

As for active boxers- you apply an unequal standard. If I asked was Manny ducking Floyd worse than losing to JMM, you'd say Manny didn't duck. Yet you labeled certain things as ducks in your initial post.

Losing doesn't change and can't be applied only when it suits your argument.

[The Gambler1981]

Bika! The guy's not even a real LHW! Stevenson beating up on Bika in lew of the fights he could have had, make him look like an even bigger clown!! Here's an interesting thought on a loss being more devastating to Stevenson, which is predicated on his ducks: What if Bika wins?

It doesn't even really matter though, perception equals reality and while this negative ducking thing is killing Stevenson now it can be gone in the blink of an eye with Bika laying on the canvas. It is a meh fight it is not that big a deal but a tangible impressive looking win does a whole lot more good than you are making out.


He does have to fight better people, so you aren't exactly wrong but he is no worse off in the money he will make or his chances of winning really from when this all started.

So I am failing to see the big deal, even in a case where the guy has clearly blown up a lot of good he has done with his career.


And if Bika wins then the lolz are on Stevenson no one will feel sorry for him.

[The Big Dunn]

"Their careers are not over", come on man, so are you trying to argue that the time a fight takes place doesn't matter? Fighters can change a lot in the span of even a year for the good or for the bad, most often the bad. Fighting someone years past their prime isn't the same as taking them while they are at their best.

No I am not suggesting that at all. Where did you get that from? I posted nothing that should make you think that.

[-PBP-]

As boxing fans we have a tendancy to live in a bubble. In the real world, nobody cares about ducking. If they like the guy they will buy his fights.

[-Kev-]

Alvarado's career definitely picked up after that loss to Provodnikov. His stock skyrocketed!

[-Kev-]

Cotto's loss to Margarito set him up for that mega fight vs Michael Jennings, and then an even bigger fight vs Clottey.

Yep, losses definitely raise your stock.

Meanwhile, Cotto is being accused of ducking now and his name just won't stay out of these ****riders mouths

[ea22]

No I am not suggesting that at all. Where did you get that from? I posted nothing that should make you think that.

You suggested that because Bowe retired and didn't end up fighting Lennox, it was ducking, and if you end up fighting a fighter at one point or another it's not ducking. That's simply wrong, fighters fade and fighting someone year later after their prime is not the same as beating them at their best, so just because you end up fighting someone before you retire doesn't mean you weren't ducking before.

[Deevel916]

Cotto's loss to Margarito set him up for that mega fight vs Michael Jennings, and then an even bigger fight vs Clottey.

Yep, losses definitely raise your stock.

Meanwhile, Cotto is being accused of ducking now and his name just won't stay out of these ****riders mouths

Meanwhile Stevenson lost all the momentum he had prior to ducking the Kovalev fight.

[DeadLikeMe]

Lol at a certain group getting all emotional as they realize they've spent the last five years going "all in" on something that you'd learn in week one of boxing promotion 101.