Is Tim Bradley Overrated?

[IronDanHamza]

Not really. He was involved in a legal battle with Gary Shaw. Once his legal troubles were fixed he signed with Top Rank.



Of course Floyd was the first choice but Arum couldn't get his stadium finished in time. **wink**




Because that's what he was supposed to say. Arum was clearly building up a Pacquiao/Bradley fight from the moment he signed him. His stable was thin.

Why couldn't his last fight with Shaw be Khan? July like planned?

Oh if we include Floyd he was 4th choice.

Floyd
Cotto
Marquez

Then Bradley.

Only when all of those fell through did they offer it Bradley.

Down the line, sure. But not immediately and certainly not promised.

Whereas if Frampton gets offered Rigondeaux, Quigg is on the table right now. Obviously he will choose Quigg over Rigondeaux.

The Bradley-Khan situation is entirely different.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Not really. He was involved in a legal battle with Gary Shaw. Once his legal troubles were fixed he signed with Top Rank.

His "legal troubles" with Shaw were based around the fact that he refused to sign the Khan fight after initially agreeing to it

He had the chance to sign with Golden Boy and he said he didn't sign because they wanted him to fight Khan first

One of the most blatant ducks in modern boxing history.

[Beater_of_ass]

His "legal troubles" with Shaw were based around the fact that he refused to sign the Khan fight after initially agreeing to it

He had the chance to sign with Golden Boy and he said he didn't sign because they wanted him to fight Khan first

One of the most blatant ducks in modern boxing history.

It worked out for Bradley anyway. Khan got KO'd by Danny and Bradley is now a PPV caliber opponent while Khan begs for anyone to fight him. You should stop the hating, all Khan had to do was not get put to sleep and he failed.

[-PBP-]

Why couldn't his last fight with Shaw be Khan? July like planned?

Because Gary Shaw would have took a big percentage of his purse. Why not wait out his contract, see what offers come available when your contract expires on June 30th, and then make a decision?

So he waits for his contract to expire June 30th, signs with Top Rank, has better opportunities on the table and more than doubles the $1.4 million purse he would have made against Khan.

Oh if we include Floyd he was 4th choice.

Floyd
Cotto
Marquez

Then Bradley.

Floyd was never a realistic possibility as Arum did everything he could to kill the deal. They made an offer to Cotto but his contract was up and they wanted to drain him down to 150. Arum was on record saying that the Pac/Marquez rematch would not be immediate. And Floyd ended up fighting Cotto.

Bradley was in prime position to land the Pacquiao fight at that particular time. The probability was extremely high.

Only when all of those fell through did they offer it Bradley.

Down the line, sure. But not immediately and certainly not promised.

Again, he was in prime position to land the fight and Arum clearly had it on his agenda.

Whereas if Frampton gets offered Rigondeaux, Quigg is on the table right now. Obviously he will choose Quigg over Rigondeaux.

The Bradley-Khan situation is entirely different.

They are both good business decisions but qualify as ducks. Considering the amount of money that Bradley has made since signing with Top Rank I don't know how anyone cannot say that he did not make a good business decision.

If you support business decisions, you should support the move that Bradley made. Period.

[Scary]

Voted yes, meant no. I think he's where he needs to be. The Pacquiao win is a disgrace none the less. He lost 11-1.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You're revising history and giving him credit retrospectively. He has gone on to have ridiculous fortune whether it be from gift decisions, robberies or getting fights that he didn't deserve. I mean, what the hell was Juan Maneul Marquez thinking fighting Bradley? Almost as dumb as when he went to Indonesia to fight Chris John.

The bottom line is that he was offered his highest ever purse and 50%....HALF....of the UK revenue. That's what was on the table, nothing else and he said no thanks.

[-PBP-]

You're revising history and giving him credit retrospectively. He has gone on to have ridiculous fortune whether it be from gift decisions, robberies or getting fights that he didn't deserve. I mean, what the hell was Juan Maneul Marquez thinking fighting Bradley? Almost as dumb as when he went to Indonesia to fight Chris John.

The bottom line is that he was offered his highest ever purse and 50%....HALF....of the UK revenue. That's what was on the table, nothing else and he said no thanks.

First, isn't that what your supposed to do. How can you measure the performance of a business decision beforehand? You make an investment, you don't know how it performed until after the fact.

Second, its common sense. Stay with Gary Shaw, fight Khan for $1.4M less 20% you give to Shaw ($280,000) less taxes (35%) leaves him with $728K to go to him, his manager, trainer, team, etc.

Or, he can wait it out, sign with Top Rank, who has a thin welterweight stable, and be put in the front of the line to fight Pacquiao and more than double that amount.

Nobody in their right mind can say that this was not a good bidness decision.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

First, isn't that what your supposed to do. How can you measure the performance of a business decision beforehand? You make an investment, you don't know how it performed until after the fact.

Second, its common sense. Stay with Gary Shaw, fight Khan for $1.4M less 20% you give to Shaw ($280,000) less taxes (35%) leaves him with $728K to go to him, his manager, trainer, team, etc.

Or, he can wait it out, sign with Top Rank, who has a thin welterweight stable, and be put in the front of the line to fight Pacquiao and more than double that amount.

Nobody in their right mind can say that this was not a good bidness decision.

No because the right decision at the time would have been to take the Khan fight. That was on the table and it was his highest ever purse. Not matter how you want to slice it. There was nothing stopping him fighting Khan and then signing with TR afterwards. The only reason he didn't take that fight is because he thought he might lose.

You don't know what can happen in the future - he was certainly not guaranteed the Pacquaio fight - things could have quite easily gone **** up for him. He's very lucky that he got ridiculous fortune, it wasn't as a direct result of turning down Khan.

[-PBP-]

No because the right decision at the time would have been to take the Khan fight. That was on the table and it was his highest ever purse. Not matter how you want to slice it. The only reason he didn't take that fight is because he thought he might lose.

You don't know what can happen in the future - he was certainly not guaranteed the Pacquaio fight - things could have quite easily gone **** up for him. He's very lucky that he got ridiculous fortune, it wasn't as a direct result of turning down Khan.

How can you make a business decision without considering what happens if you lose? If he lost to Khan, he would be on a losing streak with no promotional contract and the Top Rank offer would have been off of the table.

Again, good bidness decision.

Same reason why Santa Cruz and Frampton won't fight Rigondeaux. If they beat him, they would be lineal champions and their star status would triple. But if they fight him and lose, the Mares and Quigg fights become less desireable. Good bidness decisions.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

How can you make a business decision without considering what happens if you lose? If he lost to Khan, he would be on a losing streak with no promotional contract and the Top Rank offer would have been off of the table.

Again, good bidness decision.

Same reason why Santa Cruz and Frampton won't fight Rigondeaux. If they beat him, they would be lineal champions and their star status would triple. But if they fight him and lose, the Mares and Quigg fights become less desireable. Good bidness decisions.

Khan had Mayweather on the table and was willing to fight Bradley because he thought he could win. Bradley didn't think he could win so he took the easy route. Therein lies the duck.