Is Tim Bradley Overrated?

[IronDanHamza]

How was it not extremely likely when he got the fight! You act like he picked up a lottery ticket and had a one in a trillion chance of landing it. Pacquiao vs. Bradley was clearly in the plans because Arum had no alternatives outside of rematches.

He was lucky that option 1 and 2 fell through.

He got the fight, that doesn't somehow mean when he signed with him he was extremely likely to get the fight and it defintely doesn't mean he was first in line.

It is literally a fact that he wasn't first in line.

And this also doesn't change the fact that he wasn't promised the fight when he signed with them.

Which to me, isn't justifable to duck Khan for that.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

When he ducked Khan, he had nothing else on the table. He hoped to get Pacquaio at some point in the future but is that an excuse to duck your biggest payday because of some mythical fight that might happen in the future. Unless he's some kind of clairvoyant, there was no reason to duck Khan.

[-PBP-]

He was lucky that option 1 and 2 fell through.

He got the fight, that doesn't somehow mean when he signed with him he was extremely likely to get the fight and it defintely doesn't mean he was first in line.

It is literally a fact that he wasn't first in line.

And this also doesn't change the fact that he wasn't promised the fight when he signed with them.

Which to me, isn't justifable to duck Khan for that.

When he ducked Khan, he had nothing else on the table. He hoped to get Pacquaio at some point in the future but is that an excuse to duck your biggest payday because of some mythical fight that might happen in the future. Unless he's some kind of clairvoyant, there was no reason to duck Khan.

Call it want you want. At the end of the day, he made a good business decision that worked. If you support other fighters making business decisions, then this one should be no exception.

All business decisions are risky. You can't evaluate them completely until you see the end result, and in this case, it worked.

[The Big Dunn]

he isn't over rated unless you have him in the class of Floyd or Manny. He's right beneath Manny IMO. He seems properly rated.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Call it want you want. At the end of the day, he made a good business decision that worked. If you support other fighters making business decisions, then this one should be no exception.

All business decisions are risky. You can't evaluate them completely until you see the end result, and in this case, it worked.

No they're not. For example, if Frampton gets offered 5 times what he could earn against Rigondeaux to fight Quigg then there's no risk involved. You take the better deal when there are 2 on the table.

Bradley never had that on the table when the Khan fight was proposed. He may have had had some mythical future pipe dream of facing Pacquaio. But in reality all he did was turn down his highest payday because he thought he could lose.

Let's say that Bradley didn't get the Pacquiao fight at that point and then lost a fight to someone else. Would it then become a bad decision in your book? The end doesn't justify the means. You judge the decision when it was made.

[-PBP-]

No they're not. For example, if Frampton gets offered 5 times what he could earn against Rigondeaux to fight Quigg then there's no risk involved. You take the better deal when there are 2 on the table.

Bradley never had that on the table when the Khan fight was proposed. He may have had had some mythical future pipe dream of facing Pacquaio. But in reality all he did was turn down his highest payday because he thought he could lose.

Let's say that Bradley didn't get the Pacquiao fight at that point and then lost a fight to someone else. Would it then become a bad decision in your book? The end doesn't justify the means. You judge the decision when it was made.

Yes they are. Because Bradley could have lost to Khan and Frampton can lose to Quigg.

Bradley not getting the Pacquiao fight was a possibility (although a small one) but his team looked at Top Rank's stable, the situation with Mayweather and liked their chances.

Good bidness doe.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yes they are. Because Bradley could have lost to Khan and Frampton can lose to Quigg.

Bradley not getting the Pacquiao fight was a possibility (although a small one) but his team looked at Top Rank's stable, the situation with Mayweather and liked their chances.

Good bidness doe.

It would be the same if Frampton just sat on the sidelines and waited around for Quigg. And then a year later, he gets the Quigg fight and according to you it's not a duck because he eventually got the fight he wanted. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

You're condoning fighters not fighting and waiting out for paydays whilst fighting bums or old men like Casamayor. Do you even realise what you're saying?

[IronDanHamza]

Call it want you want. At the end of the day, he made a good business decision that worked. If you support other fighters making business decisions, then this one should be no exception.

All business decisions are risky. You can't evaluate them completely until you see the end result, and in this case, it worked.

It did work in the end. Luck was defintely heavily on his side but no dis*****g it turned out well.

But I still don't think it's justifiable considering the circumstance.

Whereas Frampton having a choice of Rigondeax and Quigg on the table and choosing Quigg I think that's justifable because obviously you're going to take the money fight especially if it's more winnable.

The Bradley-Khan situation is completely different.

[-PBP-]

It would be the same if Frampton just sat on the sidelines and waited around for Quigg. And then a year later, he gets the Quigg fight and according to you it's not a duck because he eventually got the fight he wanted. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

You're condoning fighters not fighting and waiting out for paydays whilst fighting bums or old men like Casamayor. Do you even realise what you're saying?

I'm not condoning anything. I'm consistent throughout. Bradley ducked Khan. That's not my issue and I'm not defending him.

I'm calling a duck a duck. If you are in line to be the best fighter in your division, you take your shot at being the best. Boxing is still a sport right?

Why can't Frampton defeat Rigondeaux, become the top guy in his division without a shadow of a doubt and then defend against Quigg who would be his mandatory challenger in what would be an even bigger fight?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I'm not condoning anything. I'm consistent throughout. Bradley ducked Khan. That's not my issue and I'm not defending him.

I'm calling a duck a duck. If you are in line to be the best fighter in your division, you take your shot at being the best. Boxing is still a sport right?

Why can't Frampton defeat Rigondeaux, become the top guy in his division without a shadow of a doubt and then defend against Quigg who would be his mandatory challenger in what would be an even bigger fight?

It makes sense the other way around. Whoever wins Frampton-Quigg becomes a superstar in the UK and it makes a fight with Rigondeaux bigger. No one cares about Rigondeaux here enough to make Frampton-Quigg any bigger.

Not to mention you don't turn down your highest payday when it's offered to you directly. Bradley was never offered anything directly when he turned down Khan. All he did was turn down Khan.