Is Tim Bradley Overrated?

[-PBP-]

Khan had Mayweather on the table and was willing to fight Bradley because he thought he could win. Bradley didn't think he could win so he took the easy route. Therein lies the duck.

Khan still thinks he has Mayweather on the table. That's not saying much. He was calling him out after Garcia laid him out.

And I agree that Bradley ducked Khan, just like Frampton, Santa Cruz and Quigg are ducking Rigo. They are all ducks in pursuit of better business opportunities.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Khan still thinks he has Mayweather on the table. That's not saying much. He was calling him out after Garcia laid him out.

And I agree that Bradley ducked Khan, just like Frampton, Santa Cruz and Quigg are ducking Rigo. They are all ducks in pursuit of better business opportunities.

As has been proven, the situations are not the same at all. Trying to generalise all these situations is just a way for you to excuse your favourite fighters by saying "look everyone does it doe!"

Not gonna cut it my friend.

[-PBP-]

As has been proven, the situations are not the same at all. Trying to generalise all these situations is just a way for you to excuse your favourite fighters by saying "look everyone does it doe!"

Not gonna cut it my friend.

Keep trying to justify ducks all you want. In every situation, the fighter ducked the legacy in pursuit of a better business opportunity. But you will continue to criticize fighters like Bradley and Santa Cruz while defending your favorite fighters who do the exact same thing.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Keep trying to justify ducks all you want. In every situation, the fighter ducked the legacy in pursuit of a better business opportunity. But you will continue to criticize fighters like Bradley and Santa Cruz while defending your favorite fighters who do the exact same thing.

Frampton hasn't even had the chance to duck Rigondeaux. It's just a very desperate attempt to justify Bradley's ducking.

[IronDanHamza]

Because Gary Shaw would have took a big percentage of his purse. Why not wait out his contract, see what offers come available when your contract expires on June 30th, and then make a decision?

So he waits for his contract to expire June 30th, signs with Top Rank, has better opportunities on the table and more than doubles the $1.4 million purse he would have made against Khan.



Floyd was never a realistic possibility as Arum did everything he could to kill the deal. They made an offer to Cotto but his contract was up and they wanted to drain him down to 150. Arum was on record saying that the Pac/Marquez rematch would not be immediate. And Floyd ended up fighting Cotto.

Bradley was in prime position to land the Pacquiao fight at that particular time. The probability was extremely high.



Again, he was in prime position to land the fight and Arum clearly had it on his agenda. .




They are both good business decisions but qualify as ducks. Considering the amount of money that Bradley has made since signing with Top Rank I don't know how anyone cannot say that he did not make a good business decision.

If you support business decisions, you should support the move that Bradley made. Period.

That's just completely untrue.

The likelihood wasn't extremely high. He was 3rd choice, 4th if you include Floyd. That's a fact.

It turned out as a good business decision (a whole load of luck allowing that) but it didn't seem like it would be at the time.

Frampton choosing Quigg over Rigondeaux is a definite good business decision.

Bradley didn't choose Pacquaio over Khan. He was not promised that fight.

[IronDanHamza]

First, isn't that what your supposed to do. How can you measure the performance of a business decision beforehand? You make an investment, you don't know how it performed until after the fact.

Second, its common sense. Stay with Gary Shaw, fight Khan for $1.4M less 20% you give to Shaw ($280,000) less taxes (35%) leaves him with $728K to go to him, his manager, trainer, team, etc.

Or, he can wait it out, sign with Top Rank, who has a thin welterweight stable, and be put in the front of the line to fight Pacquiao and more than double that amount.

Nobody in their right mind can say that this was not a good bidness decision.

But he wasn't at the front of the line.

He was 3rd in line.

[-PBP-]

That's just completely untrue.

The likelihood wasn't extremely high. He was 3rd choice, 4th if you include Floyd. That's a fact.

It turned out as a good business decision (a whole load of luck allowing that) but it didn't seem like it would be at the time.

Frampton choosing Quigg over Rigondeaux is a definite good business decision.

Bradley didn't choose Pacquaio over Khan. He was not promised that fight.

He signs with Top Rank, fights on Pacquiao's undercard, name drops him after the fight, and Arum is discussing it throughout the media.

I don't know what else to say. It is what it is.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content10893.html

[IronDanHamza]

How can you make a business decision without considering what happens if you lose? If he lost to Khan, he would be on a losing streak with no promotional contract and the Top Rank offer would have been off of the table.

Again, good bidness decision.

Same reason why Santa Cruz and Frampton won't fight Rigondeaux. If they beat him, they would be lineal champions and their star status would triple. But if they fight him and lose, the Mares and Quigg fights become less desireable. Good bidness decisions.

Well yeah in that sense it was a good business decision (signing with TR and possibly getting Pacquaio)

But is that justifiable? To duck a fight for the chance of fighting Pacqauio?

Because again, that fight was not promised or guaranteed when he signed with them.

[IronDanHamza]

He signs with Top Rank, fights on Pacquiao's undercard, name drops him after the fight, and Arum is discussing it throughout the media.

I don't know what else to say. It is what it is.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content10893.html

How does that show he wasn't 3rd choice?

He's being discussed because he was an option. Of course he was an option.

But to say he was "at the front of the line" and "extremely likely to get the fight" is just a flat out lie.

[-PBP-]

How does that show he wasn't 3rd choice?

He's being discussed because he was an option. Of course he was an option.

But to say he was "at the front of the line" and "extremely likely to get the fight" is just a flat out lie.

How was it not extremely likely when he got the fight! You act like he picked up a lottery ticket and had a one in a trillion chance of landing it. Pacquiao vs. Bradley was clearly in the plans because Arum had no alternatives outside of rematches.