Better win: Mayweather over Canelo or Pacquiao over Bradley(2)?

[Beater_of_ass]

I for one have never been impressed by bradley as well. Its funny though, but it makes sense on this board, but Bradley was always put down on this board in regards to his ugly fights, his head butt fest, his constant clinching, and foul infested fights, yet when he fights Manny in the first fight (and gets what some say is a gift decision) he is praised and considered one of the best. Only fights where this dude has looked semi-impressive was against Witter & peterson and both of those fights were full of fouls by Bradley. I always give him props for winning those fights, but the guy does nothing really too impressive. Think about this for a second, most to all say he lost to Manny in the first fight, alot of people thought he lost to Provo, some even felt he lost to Marquez. In those fights, especially Manny & Provo, did the guy look impressive.

Bradley facing Manny, Marquez and Provo and even if he lost to all of them is better than anything than Canelo had done in his career when he fought Floyd. Apparently beating Austin Trout is as good as losing to 2 ATG's and one definitely being on steroids. Only on this dumba$$ site does fighting 2 ATG's a total of 3 times mean less than beating Austin Trout. That was the ONLY JMW Canelo even fought at JMW and somehow that's a better win for Floyd lmao.

[smoothsmg]

Bradley has a better resume than Canelo and is higher p4p.

Rigondeaux is much better than Maidana, but the thread is not about p4p lists, it's about actual fights.

Canelo was green, but also younger and bigger . Let's be honest, Canelo was already big at 154, in fact he needs to fight at 155.
He is a MW. The catchweight hinders the W to an extent.

Bradley is a small WW, he doesn't have much power, is good at everything and has a great heart. But with his tendency to brawl it was supposed to be a rather easy fight for Pac.

Pac himself underestimated the fight time around, playing diva, showing up late.

As said, Bradley is better than Canelo p4p , but Canelo was a potentially dangerous fight, and a better win than Bradley II imo.

I will direct it towards you, but it is more a general question. Bradley's resume has been pretty great since I believe 2007 or 2008, but with that being said, has this guy truly ever looked good in a fight to you? At one point, the fighters that made for the worst fights to watch on tv were Bradley, Hopkins, Klitschko, and someone else i am missing. Bradley only good fight was Provo (not that Bradley looked good, it was just a good fight). I guess the most impressive win is probably peterson, i guess.

[ADP02]

That's what Canelo said after the fight got signed, but before it was signed he said I'm willing to move down fight Mayweather and his managment were on record saying that the catchweight was something they proposed just to make it easier for the fight to happen!

Ellerbe never said they demanded the Catchweight, he clearly said that Alvarez' managment were the ones who proposed it, go watch all access and check out the link:

http://www.secondsout.com/features/m...-vs-mayweather

That was years earlier when Canelo could have made it.

That is like saying that Floyd agreed to 50/50 revenue sharing in 2009 and so Floyd must agree to that in the future. You must get it now because it favors your hero Floyd.

Canelo was and still is young. The initial statement was not realistic. Canelo wanted the fight and accepted a CW. Floyd hurt Canelo's only advantage by draining him down 2lbs.

[smoothsmg]

Bradley facing Manny, Marquez and Provo and even if he lost to all of them is better than anything than Canelo had done in his career when he fought Floyd. Apparently beating Austin Trout is as good as losing to 2 ATG's and one definitely being on steroids. Only on this dumba$$ site does fighting 2 ATG's a total of 3 times mean less than beating Austin Trout. That was the ONLY JMW Canelo even fought at JMW and somehow that's a better win for Floyd lmao.

You get no points for losing fights. I have not discussed what win was more impressive, cause I think its just a way to raise one fighter (who fights your favorite fighter) and put down the other fighter (who fought the guy you hate. Im not speaking of you I am speaking in general). I have only mentioned how Bradley looks in the ring, and truly he has never really looked impressive. He didnt look good at all in either Manny fight, looked terrible against Provo (and why is provo getting all this hype?), and did nothing great against Marquez, and we just saw him and Chavez. the guy does not make for good fights. Rarely see clean flush shots, alot of wild swinging and head butts.

[Wolfie*]

That was years earlier when Canelo could have made it.

That is like saying that Floyd agreed to 50/50 revenue sharing in 2009 and so Floyd must agree to that in the future. You must get it now because it favors your hero Floyd.

Canelo was and still is young. The initial statement was not realistic. Canelo wanted the fight and accepted a CW. Floyd hurt Canelo's only advantage by draining him down 2lbs.

You beat me to it. lol. Spot on.

[Beater_of_ass]

You get no points for losing fights. I have not discussed what win was more impressive, cause I think its just a way to raise one fighter (who fights your favorite fighter) and put down the other fighter (who fought the guy you hate. Im not speaking of you I am speaking in general). I have only mentioned how Bradley looks in the ring, and truly he has never really looked impressive. He didnt look good at all in either Manny fight, looked terrible against Provo (and why is provo getting all this hype?), and did nothing great against Marquez, and we just saw him and Chavez. the guy does not make for good fights. Rarely see clean flush shots, alot of wild swinging and head butts.

You don't get points for losing fights? That's about the dumbest **** I have ever heard in my life. Yet, in the same paragraph you say he didn't look good wining. So wait, you don't get points for losing and you only get point for wining if you look good? You sound like a fool, seriously.

You can look like **** in winning and look great in losing. Bradley clearly beat Marquez, the other two I'm not going to argue about because I thought he lost to Manny twice and Provo. That being said, his LOSSES to those guys are LIGHTYEARS ahead of Canelo's resume when he faced Floyd. His best win before Floyd was Trout and that was close and required open scoring with a scorecard filled out before the fight with Canelo winning.

Aside from that Canelo had only fought WW at JMW and JWW and WW. I mean FFS he fought a JWW in Josesito Lopez at 154 pounds. That's damn near Garcia/Salka mismatch but Canelo fans think he's some great fighter because he beats up on overmatched no-hopers. The only times he's been in there against real fighters, he's arguably lost each time. Losses or not Bradley has proven to be 100x's the fighter Canelo is. He at least won 1 round against a top 10 P4P fighter, enough said.

[4Corners]

Depends on what happens in the future. Canelo has since beaten down Angulo and beat Lara. That win looks even better now.

Pacquiao beating Bradley was a very good win though.

[mrlopez]

Floyds win over Canelo...as he had to move up and beat him...Bradley moved up to fight Manny

Not the 2nd time son! Canelo wasnt even ranked p4p. Bradley was......your hate for pac is funny

[smoothsmg]

You don't get points for losing fights? That's about the dumbest **** I have ever heard in my life. Yet, in the same paragraph you say he didn't look good wining. So wait, you don't get points for losing and you only get point for wining if you look good? You sound like a fool, seriously.

You can look like **** in winning and look great in losing. Bradley clearly beat Marquez, the other two I'm not going to argue about because I thought he lost to Manny twice and Provo. That being said, his LOSSES to those guys are LIGHTYEARS ahead of Canelo's resume when he faced Floyd. His best win before Floyd was Trout and that was close and required open scoring with a scorecard filled out before the fight with Canelo winning.

Aside from that Canelo had only fought WW at JMW and JWW and WW. I mean FFS he fought a JWW in Josesito Lopez at 154 pounds. That's damn near Garcia/Salka mismatch but Canelo fans think he's some great fighter because he beats up on overmatched no-hopers. The only times he's been in there against real fighters, he's arguably lost each time. Losses or not Bradley has proven to be 100x's the fighter Canelo is. He at least won 1 round against a top 10 P4P fighter, enough said.

Just cause you fight someone good/great and you dont look good in the fight does not raise your stock up cause you fought that person. I never said he did not look good winning, i said he never looks good PERIOD. Again, I have gave Bradley mad credit for his resume and winning the fights he did, but never has he looked good in a fight. It is not hard to comprehend. His resume is arguably the best since 2007 (only other fighter I think comes close is Froch), and I give him credit for winning, but he has not looked good einning the fights. And please dont put words in my mouth cause that makes you look like the "fool." Reading is truly fundamental. Credit for winning the fights he did, but at no point has this dude looked like a top tier boxer. Now, he gets points for his wins, cause its a victory, but he did not look good. Pretty simple.

[Beater_of_ass]

Just cause you fight someone good/great and you dont look good in the fight does not raise your stock up cause you fought that person. I never said he did not look good winning, i said he never looks good PERIOD. Again, I have gave Bradley mad credit for his resume and winning the fights he did, but never has he looked good in a fight. It is not hard to comprehend. His resume is arguably the best since 2007 (only other fighter I think comes close is Froch), and I give him credit for winning, but he has not looked good einning the fights. And please dont put words in my mouth cause that makes you look like the "fool." Reading is truly fundamental. Credit for winning the fights he did, but at no point has this dude looked like a top tier boxer. Now, he gets points for his wins, cause its a victory, but he did not look good. Pretty simple.

Bradley might look like **** in his fights against Manny and JMM, he at least won rounds against ATG's (JMM not really but whatever, some people think he is.) Canelo didn't even win a minute of a round against Floyd, this topic ended when you compare Canelo to Bradley. You have one guy in Bradley who's fought everyone in any division he has been in compared to a guy who fought 1 JMW at JMW. And he's fought no MW's at MW, yet people are saying he should fight GGG and/or Cotto for the title. You all come of the same pool of DKSAB.

BTW: I know Cotto hadn't fought at MW at all when he faced Sergio, but he faced THE GUY in the division. Canelo having 3 fights at MW and fighting JMW is not something you can defend. Either fight MW at MW or JMW at JMW or don't be in that division. Canelo gets a pass for a being a white irish mexican, who would have guessed it.