Better win: Mayweather over Canelo or Pacquiao over Bradley(2)?

[Luilun]

Which win do you think is better? A lot of people say Canelo is Floyd's best win despite the catchweight because of the boxing clinic he performed. The Bradley win in my opinion is better just because Tim Bradley was ranked higher P4P and he was coming off a great win over JMM. Thoughts?

Pacquaio over Braddley by far Bradley has proved he was legit Canelo was a guy still learning the trade but also weight drained. Bradley only excuse was no soaks. Had Mayweather beat Canelo at 154 in the year 2015 or 2016 after Canelo apprenticeship I'd go with Mayweather but he was green and drained so I'll go with Pacquaio

[tangalog2200]

some say floyd did give canelo a clinic or a schooling

a clinic is for the sick....

a schooling is for a student...

need i say more?

[Wolfie*]

I was never impressed by Bradley at all to be honest, to me the second fight was a fight where Pacquiao has a hard time beating a guy he already beat easily in the first fight, before this second fight Bradley was coming off a clear loss to Pacquiao (screw the scorecards), a knock out drag out with C+ B- level Provodnikov and a close decision win against 40 year old Marquez who was on his way to getting KOed by Pacquiao before he caught Pacquiao with a big right hand after Pacquiao made the terrible mistake he always does.
Bradley started to balloon in weight after fights especially after the first Pacquiao fight and he had to cut so much weight to make 147, which showed in his performance. Don't forget that he was also injured in both fights.
Lol at Bradley being top pound for pound fighter, people forget that he won the 147 lbs title by a BS decision against Pacquiao in 2012, I've never seen him perform in a way that made me even think he's a pound for pound level fighter!
Mayweather was a very small favorite against Canelo, he hasn't been this small of a favourite since 2007 and a lot of people thought the 23 year old prime big guy was going to upset the 36 year old smaller guy in Mayweather. I agree that Canelo at the time wasn't on a pound for pound level either but at least he was the unified WBC/WBA light MW champion and the number 1 ranked light MW in the world by the ring magazine. Of course it would've been better if the fight wasn't at a catch weight but I don't think 2 lbs should make a difference if the fighter had enough time to prepare for the fight, I never blame Cotto's loss to Pacquiao on the 2 extra pounds Cotto had to lose for the fight. Plus Canelo's camp were the ones that demanded the catchweight for some reason, which was not the smatest thing to do but Canelo came to the fight at 165+ lbs anyway and Floyd barely weighed 150.

What kind of dumb assumption is that? Why would Canelo suggest something that will hinder him? That doesn't make sense and Canelo is on record on all access saying it was Mayweather's camp who demanded the catchweight as well as Floyd's manager Ellerbe. Try again.

[Pain~Lucy]

Canelo was and is still a top 10 p4p fighter

Canelo was never a P4P fighter!

[mike1010011]

Canelo was never a P4P fighter!

Aaaaand end thread.

[hugh grant]

Canelo was never a P4P fighter!

For him to claim Canelo was is just words for effect and he obviously didn't use his head to make that claim, rather his heart only.

Who did Canelo beat to be considered a top 10 p4p fighter? Trout! That was Canelos only win worth mentioning, and Trout weren't all that as well, with only a win over Miguel. And Canelos win over Trout weren't that convincing as well. And Floyd uses a CW.
Its all adds up to take away from Floyd. Pacs win over Bradley twice is better as is most of Pacs resume.

[Elroy1]

Floyd disgraces me.

Pac all the way...

But to be honest, the Canelo win is the only thing Floyd has over Pac. It's a terrific win and I am not sure if MAnny's style and attributes together could do in Canelo like that.

I do however think that Pac would handily beat Floyd.

Overall Pac's resume is still better than Floyd's as well but Canelo was the equaliser for Floyd.

Floyd is now totally shot however and Pac seems to be on fire again.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

What kind of dumb assumption is that? Why would Canelo suggest something that will hinder him? That doesn't make sense and Canelo is on record on all access saying it was Mayweather's camp who demanded the catchweight as well as Floyd's manager Ellerbe. Try again.

That's what Canelo said after the fight got signed, but before it was signed he said I'm willing to move down fight Mayweather and his managment were on record saying that the catchweight was something they proposed just to make it easier for the fight to happen!

Ellerbe never said they demanded the Catchweight, he clearly said that Alvarez' managment were the ones who proposed it, go watch all access and check out the link:

http://www.secondsout.com/features/m...-vs-mayweather

[jas]

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/138806.html


Pacquiao's win over Cotto doesn't count - Mayweather
ESPN

Floyd Mayweather Jnr has dismissed Manny Pacquiao's 2009 victory over Miguel Cotto, saying he still believes that Cotto is an undefeated fighter.
Mayweather, who meets Cotto on May 5 in Las Vegas, claims the Filipino's 12th-round stoppage triumph should not be a stain on Cotto's record because the bout took place at a catch-weight of 145lbs.
The unbeaten American is climbing from welterweight to meet Cotto, the WBA light-middleweight champion, at his preferred size.
"You have a guy Miguel Cotto. He has two losses, but one of his losses is to a guy at a catch-weight, where he wasn't 100%," Mayweather told boxingscene.com.


"And you have another loss to a guy [Antonio Margarito] who was caught cheating in the sport. I'm [thinking] that I'm facing a guy who's undefeated.
"He faced Antonio Margarito, a guy who everybody said I was scared of, and he got caught cheating. Now you got Manny Pacquiao, a guy who fought Miguel Cotto at a catch-weight.
"So you have one guy who cheating and one guy who fought at a catch-weight. I wanted to fight Miguel Cotto at 154lbs [light-middleweight] because I wanted to fight the best Miguel Cotto."


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[IronDanHamza]

When Floyd beat him, Canelo was not in the top 20 p4p according to Ring Mag, he was around 20ish. Theres no point in you trying to rewrite history. Canelo was only a good opponent on the basis he was bigger than Floyd, but Floyd took that away with the CW. So whos fault is that?

He hadn't beat anyone and trout was his only decent win. And Trout only had one good win as well.

Bradley was considered a better fighter. He had beaten good names for a number of years.

No actually he was #9 P4P according to The Ring Magazine.