Did the Pac-Cotto fight arouse your su****ion?

[The Big Dunn]

You seriously trying to compare having a well known admitted PEDs dealer and user to your silly line you pulled about needles?

Here is Memo under oath. Memo still glorifies PEDs use.

SPIEGEL: Do you advocate the authorization of doping?

Heredia: No, but I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone – substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect.

SPIEGEL: Are you serious: fairness?

Heredia: Yes. Take for example the most popular drug: epo. Epo changes the hemoglobin value, and it is simply the case that people have different hemoglobin levels. Authorizing the use of epo would enable the fairness and equality that supposedly everyone wants. After all, there are genetic differences between athletes.

SPIEGEL: Differences between living things are called nature. You want to make all athletes the same through doping?

Heredia: Normal athletes have a level of 3 nanograms of testosterone per milliliter of blood; the sprinter Tim Montgomery has 3 nanograms, but Maurice Greene has 9 nanograms. So what can Tim do? It isn’t doping with endogenous substances that’s unfair, it is nature that’s unfair.

Guilt by association is a slippery slope. You want to use it, then question if someone else uses it. You have no real point here. you are basically saying that your guilt by association is more valid than someone else's. BS

The cotto fight may not have raised su****ion, but the actions afterward certainly did. If you want to hold onto the "JMM never knocked him out before" then the same should apply to Manny and Morales.

You're of trying to carve out the slimmest of wiggle room. It will never work.

[Evol]

there are threads about JMM being dirty, so how is it JMM is not being accused? that was one of the most ******ed things you ever said. Yes, pac fans are doing the same thing-only after spending years complaining about unproven accusations being bad. Why not take a different avenue since you so thoroughly and vehemently railed against it?

You are seriously trying to justify pac fans calling jmm a cheat because Manny got called a cheat by Floyd fans.

So JMM is dirty because he is affiliated with a guy whose actions make you question him. cool. than Manny should illicit the same su****ion based on his actions and the actions of Bob (or whoever in his camp)who said Manny was afraid of needles.

The point is you want it both ways-you want guilt by association when tests prove cleanliness but have a fit if someone does same to Manny.



JMM passed all the tests. If we use this logic, than someone can argue Manny must have started using after the Morales fight since he didn't KO Erik in the 1st fight. Of course you would argue against that.

Manny's actions are not those of someone who you would consider clean if it wasn't Manny, even if they had tested negative on all tests as did Manny.

yeah those threads are from pac fans LOL. wheres all the threads from floyd fans complaining about it like how they did to pac? where's all the post from floyd fans? hell, where's ur su****ious at??

yes, jmm is dirty because he's working with a known steroids creator. what are u not getting? the same reason why pac is dirty because he asked for a cut off date or so thats what the floyd fans wanna believe.

manny's actions are not those of someone who is clean? u mean by him agreeing to have his blood drawn and tested right after the fight? i mean why would a cheater even entertain that thought if he was dirty? LOL!! someone who is dirty is NOT going to offer having his blood tested right after the fight. someone who is dirty will avoid testing AT ALL COST!

[Evol]

Guilt by association is a slippery slope. You want to use it, then question if someone else uses it. You have no real point here. you are basically saying that your guilt by association is more valid than someone else's. BS

The cotto fight may not have raised su****ion, but the actions afterward certainly did. If you want to hold onto the "JMM never knocked him out before" then the same should apply to Manny and Morales.

You're of trying to carve out the slimmest of wiggle room. It will never work.

well, i mean isnt that the same reason why the floyd fans believe manny is on peds? same logic different situation.

"oh look after floyd called him out on it, he's not knocking anyone out anymore because he stopped using peds"

if u have a problem with pac fans believing that jmm is using peds because he has never knock manny down or out prior to the 4th meeting then u should call the floyd fans out too on saying manny hasnt knock anyone out lately because he stopped using peds.

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

JMM passed all the tests. If we use this logic, than someone can argue Manny must have started using after the Morales fight since he didn't KO Erik in the 1st fight. Of course you would argue against that.

Manny's actions are not those of someone who you would consider clean if it wasn't Manny, even if they had tested negative on all tests as did Manny.

It's dumb to use logic when there are undeniable facts that point to steroid use such as teen acne, out and proud ped specialist, hulking body, explosive one punch knockout power late in his career, all of them not present pre-heredia. nothing of those sorts were ever reported about Manny. You say huge head? That's freaking dumb if you believe it, teen manny's head was super huge as well as floyd's jail head. I'm not trying to convince you Im showing how dumb you sound.

[Pac=Duran]

It aroused something in me.

[Evol]

this is all i need to know.

[The Big Dunn]

yeah those threads are from pac fans LOL. wheres all the threads from floyd fans complaining about it like how they did to pac? where's all the post from floyd fans? hell, where's ur su****ious at??

yes, jmm is dirty because he's working with a known steroids creator. what are u not getting? the same reason why pac is dirty because he asked for a cut off date or so thats what the floyd fans wanna believe.

manny's actions are not those of someone who is clean? u mean by him agreeing to have his blood drawn and tested right after the fight? i mean why would a cheater even entertain that thought if he was dirty? LOL!! someone who is dirty is NOT going to offer having his blood tested right after the fight. someone who is dirty will avoid testing AT ALL COST!

You are not making sense. why would Floyd fans make those threads. JMM's actions are not su****ious. that's the point. whenever any fighter doesn't test, NSB has threads about him cheating etc. etc. why would you expect Manny to be exempt from that?

Again, you and others spent 3 years killing Floyd fans for their reasoning and then employed the same reasoning because you were hurt that Manny lost by KO. You are like people who complain about people in power then do the same thing when you are in power.

your doing the same thing ADOP2 is, trying to create wiggle room. Manny did avoid testing at all costs, he walked away from the fight. you want to give him credit for his offer. tha t would be like giving Floyd credit for wanting the fight without making the deal-would you ever do that?

The only reason you have JMM as dirty is because Manny lost. Had Manny won, you would never say anything.

[tjones1989]

You seriously trying to compare having a well known admitted PEDs dealer and user to your silly line you pulled about needles?

Here is Memo under oath. Memo still glorifies PEDs use.

SPIEGEL: Do you advocate the authorization of doping?

Heredia: No, but I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone – substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect.

SPIEGEL: Are you serious: fairness?

Heredia: Yes. Take for example the most popular drug: epo. Epo changes the hemoglobin value, and it is simply the case that people have different hemoglobin levels. Authorizing the use of epo would enable the fairness and equality that supposedly everyone wants. After all, there are genetic differences between athletes.

SPIEGEL: Differences between living things are called nature. You want to make all athletes the same through doping?

Heredia: Normal athletes have a level of 3 nanograms of testosterone per milliliter of blood; the sprinter Tim Montgomery has 3 nanograms, but Maurice Greene has 9 nanograms. So what can Tim do? It isn’t doping with endogenous substances that’s unfair, it is nature that’s unfair.

Don't post proof, that's to much for these tards to understand. You have to write it life this. STEROIDS + Marquez = Bad. Memo + Marquez = bad.

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there are PEDs that increase your stamina late in the fight and make you hit a bit harder, allow you to exert yourself more in training etc, I'm not aware of a PED that teaches you how to completely outbox someone.

I tend to agree with the "they're all on something" camp on this issue, but you're not going to be able to tell based on an in-fight performance.

[Evol]

You are not making sense. why would Floyd fans make those threads. JMM's actions are not su****ious. that's the point. whenever any fighter doesn't test, NSB has threads about him cheating etc. etc. why would you expect Manny to be exempt from that?

Again, you and others spent 3 years killing Floyd fans for their reasoning and then employed the same reasoning because you were hurt that Manny lost by KO. You are like people who complain about people in power then do the same thing when you are in power.

your doing the same thing ADOP2 is, trying to create wiggle room. Manny did avoid testing at all costs, he walked away from the fight. you want to give him credit for his offer. tha t would be like giving Floyd credit for wanting the fight without making the deal-would you ever do that?

The only reason you have JMM as dirty is because Manny lost. Had Manny won, you would never say anything.

really?? and manny's actions are because he asked for a cut off date even though he was willing to have his blood tested righgt after the fight? LOL!!