Did the Pac-Cotto fight arouse your su****ion?

[Scipio2009]

sort of...

Blasting out Cotto like that definitely raised a ton of su****ion; Cotto wasn't supposed to be anything near a washout.

Having Mayweather bring up the issue of testing and then seeing the devastating power near immediately disappear (not even to mention the sudden rush of cramping/stamina issues that had Pacquiao fading late) confirmed things, imo.

Having Roach, his head trainer, come forward and insinuate that Pacquiao's S&C coach, Ariza, was giving him "mystery shakes" that he had no knowledge of, painted Pacquiao with the scarlet letter of guilt.

Pacquiao went from being the whirlwind that battled Barrera/Morales/Marquez at 126, up to 135 and was looked at as "the little guy competing out of his class".

Then he stops De La Hoya, which was odd; Oscar had been fighting 154/160, so you could maybe argue that having to fight at 147 took the fight out of him.

Then he beats Ricky Hatton; Hatton had a strong run at 140, but his performance against Floyd Mayweather (though solid) proved that he was at least a touch below the top-level.

Miguel Cotto was different; he was in his prime, a natural welterweight, and a guy who'd proven himself to be a pretty top-level fighter with power.

Folks saw a guy who was one year removed from fighting at 130 do that to Cotto and immediately thought "WTF, something's fishy".

[Twako]

Blasting out Cotto like that definitely raised a ton of su****ion; Cotto wasn't supposed to be anything near a washout.

Having Mayweather bring up the issue of testing and then seeing the devastating power near immediately disappear (not even to mention the sudden rush of cramping/stamina issues that had Pacquiao fading late) confirmed things, imo.

Having Roach, his head trainer, come forward and insinuate that Pacquiao's S&C coach, Ariza, was giving him "mystery shakes" that he had no knowledge of, painted Pacquiao with the scarlet letter of guilt.

Pacquiao went from being the whirlwind that battled Barrera/Morales/Marquez at 126, up to 135 and was looked at as "the little guy competing out of his class".

Then he stops De La Hoya, which was odd; Oscar had been fighting 154/160, so you could maybe argue that having to fight at 147 took the fight out of him.

Then he beats Ricky Hatton; Hatton had a strong run at 140, but his performance against Floyd Mayweather (though solid) proved that he was at least a touch below the top-level.

Miguel Cotto was different; he was in his prime, a natural welterweight, and a guy who'd proven himself to be a pretty top-level fighter with power.

Folks saw a guy who was one year removed from fighting at 130 do that to Cotto and immediately thought "WTF, something's fishy".

no. most, except floyd fans, thought they're watching the greatest of this generation.

[Evol]

damm is manny that good??? getting accused of cheating because nobody has ever saw what manny did before. LOL

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

Manny said no to testing when jmm suggested they both test. He walked away from Floyd fight over testing. Those actions are far more su****ious than the performance in the Cotto fight.

Your talking about pre roids JMM here who had 3 fights with Pac and couldn't hurt Pac even if he was given a freebie. Why would have Pac expected any freakish change for fight 4? Well he learned his lesson, now he knows the power of PEDS, he experienced it. So any future JMM fights have to be VADA tested. Ask JMM if he wants to be VADA tested.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

nope


i remember Meat messaging about him being worried...i told him...'dont, an ATG is about to do his thing'


i KNEW he would **** Cotto up

[The Big Dunn]

but yet manny still get accused of being dirty but not marquez. u keep forgetting that. i am trying to point out to u that pac fans is doing the same thing floyd fans was doing, accusing manny of being dirty even though he passed all test given to him.

i dont know about u but working with a known steroids creator who has been on camera, bragging that he has created peds way ahead of any testing protocols is more su****ious to me than a guy asking for a cut off.

there are threads about JMM being dirty, so how is it JMM is not being accused? that was one of the most ******ed things you ever said. Yes, pac fans are doing the same thing-only after spending years complaining about unproven accusations being bad. Why not take a different avenue since you so thoroughly and vehemently railed against it?

You are seriously trying to justify pac fans calling jmm a cheat because Manny got called a cheat by Floyd fans.

So JMM is dirty because he is affiliated with a guy whose actions make you question him. cool. than Manny should illicit the same su****ion based on his actions and the actions of Bob (or whoever in his camp)who said Manny was afraid of needles.

The point is you want it both ways-you want guilt by association when tests prove cleanliness but have a fit if someone does same to Manny.

Your talking about pre roids JMM here who had 3 fights with Pac and couldn't hurt Pac even if he was given a freebie. Why would have Pac expected any freakish change for fight 4? Well he learned his lesson, now he knows the power of PEDS, he experienced it. So any future JMM fights have to be VADA tested. Ask JMM if he wants to be VADA tested.

JMM passed all the tests. If we use this logic, than someone can argue Manny must have started using after the Morales fight since he didn't KO Erik in the 1st fight. Of course you would argue against that.

Manny's actions are not those of someone who you would consider clean if it wasn't Manny, even if they had tested negative on all tests as did Manny.

[Hype job]

Mayweather's act of throwing away clothes after only wearing them once actually began on this particular night when he left a mud pie in the bottom of his briefs while watching the fight at home.

[Hype job]

Watching that fight recently Cotto has a poor defence and non existent upper body movement.

Compared to someone like Bradley who moves his head a lot more and bends much more at the waist, Cotto's defence is pretty poor, although he has a very good guard.

[ADP02]

there are threads about JMM being dirty, so how is it JMM is not being accused? that was one of the most ******ed things you ever said. Yes, pac fans are doing the same thing-only after spending years complaining about unproven accusations being bad. Why not take a different avenue since you so thoroughly and vehemently railed against it?

You are seriously trying to justify pac fans calling jmm a cheat because Manny got called a cheat by Floyd fans.

So JMM is dirty because he is affiliated with a guy whose actions make you question him. cool. than Manny should illicit the same su****ion based on his actions and the actions of Bob (or whoever in his camp)who said Manny was afraid of needles.

The point is you want it both ways-you want guilt by association when tests prove cleanliness but have a fit if someone does same to Manny.



JMM passed all the tests. If we use this logic, than someone can argue Manny must have started using after the Morales fight since he didn't KO Erik in the 1st fight. Of course you would argue against that.

Manny's actions are not those of someone who you would consider clean if it wasn't Manny, even if they had tested negative on all tests as did Manny.

You seriously trying to compare having a well known admitted PEDs dealer and user to your silly line you pulled about needles?

Here is Memo under oath. Memo still glorifies PEDs use.

SPIEGEL: Do you advocate the authorization of doping?

Heredia: No, but I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone – substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect.

SPIEGEL: Are you serious: fairness?

Heredia: Yes. Take for example the most popular drug: epo. Epo changes the hemoglobin value, and it is simply the case that people have different hemoglobin levels. Authorizing the use of epo would enable the fairness and equality that supposedly everyone wants. After all, there are genetic differences between athletes.

SPIEGEL: Differences between living things are called nature. You want to make all athletes the same through doping?

Heredia: Normal athletes have a level of 3 nanograms of testosterone per milliliter of blood; the sprinter Tim Montgomery has 3 nanograms, but Maurice Greene has 9 nanograms. So what can Tim do? It isn’t doping with endogenous substances that’s unfair, it is nature that’s unfair.

[Zano-24]

I'm in the grey on this one. Mosley landed something like 50% of his power punches on Cotto if I recall and he didn't drop Cotto once. Manny pretty much hurt Cotto right out the gate. Mosley was known as the hardest puncher at 147 and Manny who is coming up in weight should not carry the same power he had at the lower weights the way he did. I don't know if he was on peds but I wouldn't be shocked if he was.