Who is the greatest fighter since Muhammed Ali?

[Ham Porter]

Floyd called him out when Dela Hoya was active also, and Dela Hoya dismissed him, we was willing to jump 2 or 3 weight classes to fight the guy and he actually did. He also wanted to fight Mosley and Mosley was the one who wanted to go on vacation with his family instead of fighting Floyd in 2006 2007. Now you're using the age excuse, where was that when Mayweather fought Canelo, Canelo was 23 and Floyd was 36, where was that excuse when Pacquiao drained Dela Hoya down to 147 a year after Floyd fought him? I'm sure Hagler wouldn't have minded to move down in weight to fight Leonard at LMW or something, but Leonard refused to even negotiate! so he gets no credit in my book!

Calling someone out means absolutely nothing. Mayweather and De La Hoya wasn't even close to being viable until after Mayweather moved up to welterweight. And yes, there is a massive difference between fighting Winky Wright in 2005 and fighting De La Hoya in 2007. One was considerably more dangerous than the other, that's what I'm highlighting.

And Hagler absolutely minded moving down in weight. When the possibility of fighting even at a catchweight of 156 was thrown out, he flatout rejected and the idea of dropping any weight.

BS

Irrefutable, 100% solid fact.

If you're gonna give Leonard credit for just taking the fight against Hearns, you have to give Mayweather credit for facing Corrales when he faced him, Corrales was 33-0 going into the fight and he was considered to be the biggest threat to Mayweather, the betting odds were even (which is very rare in any of Floyd's fights), Corrales was the number 1 Ring magazine champion and was considered the lineal champion by most people after his destruction of Garcia and Manfredy, Hearns was coming off a win against a guy with a record of 10-9-2 when he faced Leonard. of course Hearns went on to be a better fighter than Corrales but he was as risky for Leonard as Corrales was for Mayweather when the fights happened

I'm not giving him credit for taking the fight. Fighters are supposed to fight the best opposition in their weight class. But the comparison is utterly laughable when one fighter is so vastly more superior than the other. You're comparing a good fighter to a great fighter.

I don't like to call people names on the internet but I have to tell you, this is the most ****** comeback I've ever seen on the internet! you made yourself look like a complete moron! If the fight is going to generate 50 mil and the promoter offers the fighter only 8 mil and the fighter was generous enough and he only asked for 10 and the greedy promoter didn't give him what he wanted and deserved, the fighter should turn down the fight and buy out his contract, if Margarito really wanted the fight he would've done the same and the fight could've been made! Which top rank fighter could Floyd fight from 2006 till 2015? NONE! Floyd fought Dela Hoya when Dela Hoya was his own man, same with Marquez and Cotto, if you quit a job in 2006 (like Floyd did with Arum), will you try to make business with the boss of the job you just quit in 2007? What can't you understand here?!

@ "only 8 mil." You do realise that's just two million less than the guarantee Mayweather got for De La Hoya, right?

And yeah, Tony was really in the position to be breaking his contract with Top Rank at that point.

Such a hipster who's convinced that old is always better than new. Leonard, Hearns, Hagler and Duran came to boxing in the post Ali era and the Tyson era where boxing was already a very popular sport, the media played a major role in making these fighters as big as they were, there are a lot of fighters that not too many people know but they were much better fighters than the famous fighters, Mayweather was better than Gatti, still Floyd had to chase him cuz Gatti was more popular, Mayweather was better than Dela Hoya and Mosley, still he had to chase them, it's about who's more popular, Floyd had to beg for fights cuz he was a high risk low reward fight for everyone, but after he faced Oscar everything totally changed and people were willing to take the risk for the money. You have to be the best in your era and beat whoever you can put your hands on for the most money possible, this is the goal of every fighter!

This is just rambling, incoherent nonsense.

[PeasantCrusha]

Roy Jones and Sugar Ray for me.

Mayweather is up there too.


Malignaggi not toooooo far behind.

[Ham Porter]

So Jones had talent but not skills? I've seen it all here.

No, he just wasn't as skilled as Chavez.

And the Margarito whooping and the Bradley whoopings. Clottey and Shane Mosley also got a good hiding too. Clottey is a good win for anybody and highly under rated in my opinion. The way Pac made Shane Mosley give and run for the bell was incredible too.

You are the very worst type of P*ctard if you think Shufflin' Shane Oldsley was anything worth crediting. That matchup was an embarrassment and the very worst type of cherrypick. Even worse than dragging a shopworn Tony down in weight for a bogus title.

[Boxing Goat]

I say:

1) Roy Jones

2) Pacquiao

3) SRL

4) Floyd

5) Chavez, Witaker, Duran or Hagler (any would work for me)

[Nic-NC]

1) Sugar Ray Leonard
2) Julio Cesar Chavez
3) Floyd Mayweather
4) Roberto Duran
5) Manny Pacquiao

Initially I was going to say flip a coin between Manny and RJJ for the #5 spot, but then I started thinking about his career after the B-Hop fight and it just kind of made me sad. He went from World Champion to fighting journeymen for what I can only assume are unimpressive purses, and it wasn't exactly a slow decent either. It seemed like he lost focus, wanted to make movies, and kept boxing only to stay in the news. Somehow that took some of the luster off his legacy in my mind.

But unquestionably in my eyes, Sugar is the best post-Ali boxer we've had.

[lefthook2daliva]

SRL is winning in the voting, as he should. He picked up where Ali left off. And like Ali, he beat truly great fighters. And in his prime, his only loss was to Duran which he revenged in dramatic fashion, making one of the toughest guys in the world totally wuss out. Nobody else can say this.

Beat Benitez, Hagler, Duran and Hearns. That's insane.

Best post in the thread.

[Pac=Duran]

1) Sugar Ray Leonard
2) Julio Cesar Chavez
3) Floyd Mayweather
4) Roberto Duran
5) Manny Pacquiao

Initially I was going to say flip a coin between Manny and RJJ for the #5 spot, but then I started thinking about his career after the B-Hop fight and it just kind of made me sad. He went from World Champion to fighting journeymen for what I can only assume are unimpressive purses, and it wasn't exactly a slow decent either. It seemed like he lost focus, wanted to make movies, and kept boxing only to stay in the news. Somehow that took some of the luster off his legacy in my mind.

But unquestionably in my eyes, Sugar is the best post-Ali boxer we've had.

Nice list but Roy is the ultimate case of staying on too long. You have to take into account a fighters full career. That's the reason I have SRL below Manny.

[Pac=Duran]

Calling someone out means absolutely nothing. Mayweather and De La Hoya wasn't even close to being viable until after Mayweather moved up to welterweight. And yes, there is a massive difference between fighting Winky Wright in 2005 and fighting De La Hoya in 2007. One was considerably more dangerous than the other, that's what I'm highlighting.

And Hagler absolutely minded moving down in weight. When the possibility of fighting even at a catchweight of 156 was thrown out, he flatout rejected and the idea of dropping any weight.



Irrefutable, 100% solid fact.




I'm not giving him credit for taking the fight. Fighters are supposed to fight the best opposition in their weight class. But the comparison is utterly laughable when one fighter is so vastly more superior than the other. You're comparing a good fighter to a great fighter.




@ "only 8 mil." You do realise that's just two million less than the guarantee Mayweather got for De La Hoya, right?

And yeah, Tony was really in the position to be breaking his contract with Top Rank at that point.





This is just rambling, incoherent nonsense.

How can you still have the energy to argue over this inconsequential boolshlt? The fight is made and will go down May 2nd.

[Pac=Duran]

Pac will overtake after I bump this thread on May 3rd.

There will be the greatest memes thread ever entitled "Floyd be like...." It's gonna be a sweet event.

[mikemurni]

Roberto Duran