Who is the greatest fighter since Muhammed Ali?

[joseph5620]

And Jones was nowhere near as fundamentally sound or well-rounded a boxer as Chavez. Taking into account actual skills and not talent, Jones is the inferior fighter.





@ Hagler.

So Jones had talent but not skills? I've seen it all here.

[joseph5620]

Still not a serious poll without JCC. Get it changed or forever be regarded as a boxing fool.

Whether he's in the poll or not he's nowhere near Leonard or Duran.

[Pac=Duran]

Whether he's in the poll or not he's nowhere near Leonard or Duran.

I consider JCC a little bit overrated to be honest. He lost the majority of his biggest fights and was shut out by Sweet Pea. Therefore Sweet Pea got the nod.

[therealpugilist]

Take a look at his resume. People forget how good Morales and MAB were. Huge amount of top class wins consistently against the bigger man.

Morales and MAB were great, top ten in their era but they are not elite all time greats IMO and because they were great and exciting they get overrated in a historical sense

Between 122-130 was loaded with better fighters than them n guys who faces stiffer comp...msalvador Sanchez, tony canzoneri, kid chocolate, Alexis arguello, Willie pep, wilfredo Gomez, bobby chacon, eusbio pedroza, sugar ramos, eder jofre, sandy saddler, JCC, Vicente saldivar, Reuben olivarez etc


I'd favor most these guys over them and most rate higher all time


Roy Jones beat 2 guys who are true atg n both were considered p4p #1 at some point in their careers...toney and Hopkins....also Jones defeated more champions, won more title fights, virtually cleaned out 175....I had a ring mag where he had wins over 7/10 top 10 contenders



Roy Jones was clearly the best of his era with no peer...Manny has to beat Mayweather to even have an argument

Mayweather won his first fighter of the year in 1998 and has been in the top ten p4p since 1998...won more title fights, beat more champions and contenders.Manny isn't clearly the best in his own era, so how can he be the best since ALI

Manny is great he had exciting fights but Jones was more dominant, more skilled and probably the most athletically gifted boxer ever


On a talent stand point, Jones is up there with the sugar Ray Robinson's, Sam Langford, Henry atmstrong, Harry greb types.... Ahead of their time and clearly superior to everyone else....we get fighters like them once every 20 years if we're lucky

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Wasn't a problem to fight a 34 year old man with one fight in three years, but evidently was when he pulled out of a fight with Winky Weight after having given it the big one. :lol

Floyd called him out when Dela Hoya was active also, but Dela Hoya dismissed him, he was willing to jump 2 or 3 weight classes to fight the guy and he actually did. He also wanted to fight Mosley and Mosley was the one who wanted to go on vacation with his family instead of fighting Floyd in 2006 2007. Now you're using the age excuse, where was that when Mayweather fought Canelo, Canelo was 23 and Floyd was 36, where was that excuse when Pacquiao drained Dela Hoya down to 147 a year after Floyd fought him? I'm sure Hagler wouldn't have minded to move down in weight to fight Leonard at LMW or something, but Leonard refused to even negotiate! so he gets no credit in my book!

And what part of Pryor rejected the fight are you having trouble grasping

BS

LOL @ this dopey Kraut attempting to equate Diego Corrales with Thomas Hearns.

If you're gonna give Leonard credit for just taking the fight against Hearns, you have to give Mayweather credit for facing Corrales when he faced him, Corrales was 33-0 going into the fight and he was considered to be the biggest threat to Mayweather, the betting odds were even (which is very rare in any of Floyd's fights), Corrales was the number 1 Ring magazine champion and was considered the lineal champion by most people after his destruction of Garcia and Manfredy, Hearns was coming off a win against a guy with a record of 10-9-2 when he faced Leonard. of course Hearns went on to be a better fighter than Corrales but he was as risky for Leonard as Corrales was for Mayweather when the fights happened!

The **** does any of this have to do with Mayweather twice turning down Margarito? :lol1

I don't like to call people names on the internet but I have to tell you, this is the most ****** comeback I've ever seen on the internet! you made yourself look like a complete moron! If the fight is going to generate 50 mil and the promoter offers the fighter only 8 mil and the fighter was generous enough and he only asked for 10 and the greedy promoter didn't give him what he wanted and deserved, the fighter should turn down the fight and buy out his contract, if Margarito really wanted the fight he would've done the same and the fight could've been made! Which top rank fighter could Floyd fight from 2006 till 2015? NONE! Floyd fought Dela Hoya when Dela Hoya was his own man, same with Marquez and Cotto, if you quit a job in 2006 (like Floyd did with Arum), will you try to make business with the boss of the job you just quit in 2007? What can't you understand here?!

Why are you still throwing out these meaningless statistics? Zsolt Erdei's record in championship fights blows away Ezzard Charles, too.

Such a hipster who's convinced that old is always better than new. Leonard, Hearns, Hagler and Duran came to boxing in the post Ali era and the Tyson era where boxing was already a very popular sport, the media played a major role in making these fighters as big as they were, there are a lot of fighters that not too many people know but they were much better fighters than the famous fighters, Mayweather was better than Gatti, still Floyd had to chase him cuz Gatti was more popular, Mayweather was better than Dela Hoya and Mosley, still he had to chase them, it's about who's more popular, Floyd had to beg for fights cuz he was a high risk low reward fight for everyone, but after he faced Oscar everything totally changed and people were willing to take the risk for the money. You have to be the best in your era and beat whoever you can put your hands on for the most money possible, this is the goal of every fighter!

[Pac=Duran]

Morales and MAB were great, top ten in their era but they are not elite all time greats IMO and because they were great and exciting they get overrated in a historical sense

Between 122-130 was loaded with better fighters than them n guys who faces stiffer comp...msalvador Sanchez, tony canzoneri, kid chocolate, Alexis arguello, Willie pep, wilfredo Gomez, bobby chacon, eusbio pedroza, sugar ramos, eder jofre, sandy saddler, JCC, Vicente saldivar, Reuben olivarez etc


I'd favor most these guys over them and most rate higher all time


Roy Jones beat 2 guys who are true atg n both were considered p4p #1 at some point in their careers...toney and Hopkins....also Jones defeated more champions, won more title fights, virtually cleaned out 175....I had a ring mag where he had wins over 7/10 top 10 contenders



Roy Jones was clearly the best of his era with no peer...Manny has to beat Mayweather to even have an argument

Mayweather won his first fighter of the year in 1998 and has been in the top ten p4p since 1998...won more title fights, beat more champions and contenders.Manny isn't clearly the best in his own era, so how can he be the best since ALI

Manny is great he had exciting fights but Jones was more dominant, more skilled and probably the most athletically gifted boxer ever


On a talent stand point, Jones is up there with the sugar Ray Robinson's, Sam Langford, Henry atmstrong, Harry greb types.... Ahead of their time and clearly superior to everyone else....we get fighters like them once every 20 years if we're lucky

Roy Jones best of his era with no peer? Darius Dariusz Michalczewski was certainly his peer and Roy Jones flat refused to fight him. Jones is another one who should have a legitimately incredible standard of resume but chose the easier path. No Hopkins or Toney rematches either. No Michael Nunn, Gerald McClellan or any of the fantastic European fighters of the time.

His wins over Toney and Hopkins definitely outstrip anything Mayweather has done but no where near what Manny has achieved. Roy Jones himself said Manny was top 5 all time, in 2010 lol

Let me ask you this, how in the name Jesus could you say that you would take Jofre Oliveres, Salvador Sanchez, Kid Chocolate over Morales/Barrera when there is precious little footage of some of them?? No one could make an accurate prediction. Morales is an all time great. No doubt in my mind.

Where are the prime great fighters on Floyd's resume? No where.

Look at the poll man! If Manny whips Floyd he will be acclaimed as the best since Ali, and a legitimate top 5 all time fighter. This will be public perception anyway.

[rocky_balboa23]

i gotta go with Sugar Ray and Pac being the close second. Floyd is not even close imo.

Look at pac's legendary runs. can you even imagine him going back to back to back fights against Barrera, Morales, then Marquez?. then another terrific 3 fight run against Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto.

[Pac=Duran]

i gotta go with Sugar Ray and Pac being the close second. Floyd is not even close imo.

Look at pac's legendary runs. can you even imagine him going back to back to back fights against Barrera, Morales, then Marquez?. then another terrific 3 fight run against Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto.

And the Margarito whooping and the Bradley whoopings. Clottey and Shane Mosley also got a good hiding too. Clottey is a good win for anybody and highly under rated in my opinion. The way Pac made Shane Mosley give and run for the bell was incredible too.

[therealpugilist]

Jones wasn't going to Germany to get robbed, he was the draw the star, I don't blame him...still don't change the fact he beat most of the best 175 in his time and era....tarver, clinton woods, julio Gonzalez, virgil hill, Griffin, del Valle, hopkins, Reggie Johnson, and mike McCallum all held major titles at 175 or were lineal....he has wins over them all...its clear he was the most accomplish Lt hvy of his era...his resume at 175 trumps DM

Go on YouTube and Google them...the old greats ..its 2015



No fighter fought every good or great fighter in their era...maybe Ali



Jones, PAC, srl, Duran no one has


You rank fighters based off what they did.
.not based of what they didn't do

I can play your game.....manny fought at the low weights from 96 to like 2003 @ 112-126 Manny never fought paulie Ayala, bones Adams, israel Vazquez, never beat jmm decisively, mark 2 sharp Johnson, Johnny tapia, Tim Austin

@ 135 he fought David Diaz....no casamayor, Marquez rematch, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz

@ 147.....no Thurman, khan, maidana, Guerrero, brook, porter etc

[therealpugilist]

Roy Jones best of his era with no peer? Darius Dariusz Michalczewski was certainly his peer and Roy Jones flat refused to fight him. Jones is another one who should have a legitimately incredible standard of resume but chose the easier path. No Hopkins or Toney rematches either. No Michael Nunn, Gerald McClellan or any of the fantastic European fighters of the time.

His wins over Toney and Hopkins definitely outstrip anything Mayweather has done but no where near what Manny has achieved. Roy Jones himself said Manny was top 5 all time, in 2010 lol

Let me ask you this, how in the name Jesus could you say that you would take Jofre Oliveres, Salvador Sanchez, Kid Chocolate over Morales/Barrera when there is precious little footage of some of them?? No one could make an accurate prediction. Morales is an all time great. No doubt in my mind.

Where are the prime great fighters on Floyd's resume? No where.

Look at the poll man! If Manny whips Floyd he will be acclaimed as the best since Ali, and a legitimate top 5 all time fighter. This will be public perception anyway.

Simply put....roy Jones was just better than Manny PAC


Both are great but Jones was just more talented.... No personal preference...Jones made it look easy


What prime great did PAC beat? How much does that matter? All of PACs big wins come after the guy got their ass kicked or were unimpressive prior..... If you think Barrera and morales were prime when PAC got to them you're blind....too many wars bro.... Morales was at his best at 122 in his early to mid 20s, Barrera at 122 as well.




Jones and PAC prime for prime.....Jones was harder to beat....therefore he was better