Who is the greatest fighter since Muhammed Ali?

[Pac=Duran]

Focussing on HW separately it's undeniably Wladimir Klitschko.

That career will most likely not be topped for a very, very long time.

In fact, it's so good now, that it may not ever be topped before boxing evolves to a point where it's even distinguishably the same sport anymore (like comparing Sullivan to Wlad already now).

Will Manny surpass Duran and Leonard if he KO's Floyd?

[Pac=Duran]

This poll's result is totally correct. Roberto Duran and Ray Leonard are currently the best since Ali.

Manny Pacquiao can put himself alongside them with a win over Floyd. If he KO's Floyd people will go wild and say he is the greatest ever but he would just be in the conversation of the 5 or so greatest ever in my opinion.

Anyone else want to vote and swing it in Roberto's or Ray's favour?

[therealpugilist]

Manny Pacquiao is no where near the greatest fighter since Ali when their is Mayweather, Hopkins, Ray Leonard, Duran, Roy Jones, and James Toney are in the running....these guys were the closest to unbeatable as you can get in their primes and accomplished a lot past prime.....Maybe the most popular

[therealpugilist]

this thread is an example of why I don't do polls.....no explanations just a popularity contest.



Sorry but I love Pacquiao but damn...look at how few votes Jones jr got and he didn't lose a legit fight until 35 years old, whereas Manny was getting kayoed by nobodies, got outboxed by a past prime erik morales and kayoed by JMM far worse than Jones vs Tarver and Jones was older


Manny isn't even the best fighter of his generation so how can he even be the best since Ali?

[General STRUGG]

Manny Pacquiao is no where near the greatest fighter since Ali when their is Mayweather, Hopkins, Ray Leonard, Duran, Roy Jones, and James Toney are in the running....these guys were the closest to unbeatable as you can get in their primes and accomplished a lot past prime.....Maybe the most popular

Dont insults the other greats by putting them in the same sentence with Floyd duckweather. thanks.

[Pac=Duran]

Yeah Pac came back from the knock outs though.

Also he took on pretty much the hardest guys in the divisions he was fighting in and has precious few holes in his record.

Roy Jones has huge, Michael Nunn, McClellan, Toney 2, Benn/Eubank/Collins and of course Darius Michaelwhateverthe****ski shaped holes in his resume. Henry Armstrong and Sam Langford had loads of losses it doesn't matter.

Greatness is taking on huge challenges and prevailing. Pacquiao's weight class rising may never be matched in boxing history. Loads of guys have long undefeated streaks.

[therealpugilist]

Yeah Pac came back from the knock outs though.

Also he took on pretty much the hardest guys in the divisions he was fighting in and has precious few holes in his record.

Roy Jones has huge, Michael Nunn, McClellan, Toney 2, Benn/Eubank/Collins and of course Darius Michaelwhateverthe****ski shaped holes in his resume. Henry Armstrong and Sam Langford had loads of losses it doesn't matter.

Greatness is taking on huge challenges and prevailing. Pacquiao's weight class rising may never be matched in boxing history. Loads of guys have long undefeated streaks.

if were gonna nit pick lets do it both ways


Manny has fought at welterweight since 2008 and is just now fighting the number one guy....Mayweather is a two time lineal champion but people say he is a ducker but he actually fights the top 1-3 guys

@ 122, the weight class was stacked and he fought Ledwaba who was good but didn't fight Israel Vaquez, Paulie Ayala, Bones Adams, Oscar Larios at 22, etc


David Diaz was the worst lightweight titleholder of recent memory and his only fight at 135 when Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, AND OTHERs were better fighters



he fought Margarito at 150 for a 154 title....neither guy was even ranked in the top ten by anyone at the weight, that **** was a Bob Arum connection transaction


Loads of guys have been successful fighting larger guys before Manny too and started at low weights and won titles at higher weights....Manny isn't doing anything that has not been done before

Kid Gavilan started at bantamweight and has defeated world champions and contenders as high as middleweight


Sam Langoforde beat world champions between lightweight-light heavyweight and never got a shot


Georges Carpentier fought from flyweight-heavyweight


Jimmy McClarnin beat world champions from flyweight-welterweight just like Pacquaio but his only world title was at 147 and he defeated more hall of famers than Manny



Harry Greb defeated the best in the world from welterweight through heavyweight and only won the middleweight title


James Toney started in the 150's and was a world class heavyweight at the end of his career, winning titles at 160, 168 and 190 also beat 230+ pound heavyweights


the list goes on


Manny Pacquaio is a great fighter, a true all time great, but he isn't the best of his era, nor is he the best since Ali

[Pac=Duran]

if were gonna nit pick lets do it both ways


Manny has fought at welterweight since 2008 and is just now fighting the number one guy....Mayweather is a two time lineal champion but people say he is a ducker but he actually fights the top 1-3 guys

@ 122, the weight class was stacked and he fought Ledwaba who was good but didn't fight Israel Vaquez, Paulie Ayala, Bones Adams, Oscar Larios at 22, etc


David Diaz was the worst lightweight titleholder of recent memory and his only fight at 135 when Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, AND OTHERs were better fighters



he fought Margarito at 150 for a 154 title....neither guy was even ranked in the top ten by anyone at the weight, that **** was a Bob Arum connection transaction


Loads of guys have been successful fighting larger guys before Manny too and started at low weights and won titles at higher weights....Manny isn't doing anything that has not been done before

Kid Gavilan started at bantamweight and has defeated world champions and contenders as high as middleweight


Sam Langoforde beat world champions between lightweight-light heavyweight and never got a shot


Georges Carpentier fought from flyweight-heavyweight


Jimmy McClarnin beat world champions from flyweight-welterweight just like Pacquaio but his only world title was at 147 and he defeated more hall of famers than Manny



Harry Greb defeated the best in the world from welterweight through heavyweight and only won the middleweight title


James Toney started in the 150's and was a world class heavyweight at the end of his career, winning titles at 160, 168 and 190 also beat 230+ pound heavyweights


the list goes on


Manny Pacquaio is a great fighter, a true all time great, but he isn't the best of his era, nor is he the best since Ali

Langford Armstrong Duran etc are in the same field as Manny. Take a look at his record and tell me it isn't the best currently in boxing. Insane resume.

[therealpugilist]

Langford Armstrong Duran etc are in the same field as Manny. Take a look at his record and tell me it isn't the best currently in boxing. Insane resume.

It isn't currently the best in boxing


Mayweather has 16 less fights...is undefeated...has the same amount of lineal titles....has defeated more world champions/titlists....actually has over twice as many title fight wins



people look at the 8 divisional titles, which is impressive but their have been fighters for the past 100 years who have been successful fighting over their original weight and remained world class


Forgot about Tony Canzoneri, who drew with the bantamweight champion and was lineal at 126, 135, 140 he fought the best boxing had to offer from 118-140 and beat a slew of hall of famers and world champions

Langforde, Duran, and Armstrong rate significantly higher all-time IMO


all 3 of these guys are top 10....manny is somewhere between 15-30, not dissing him but Pacquaio hasn't done anything that we haven't seen already, the title trinkets make it look better than it is

Look at it this way....Sam Langforde in one of his first years as a pro defeated the OLD Master in Joe Gans(A TOP 5 LIGHTWEIGHT EVER) around lightweight and went on to beat heavyweights and lightheavyweight hall of famers like Harry Wills, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, etc......the a league higher than manny who is also an ATG

[fabie]

He's definitely up there probably 2nd for me. Ray Leonard always had many things in his favour and fought guys at the right time so he's slightly down my list though on the face of it he has far and away the best wins.

Except that I lost respects towards him when he had Marvin Hagler on hold for 7 years and eerily similar to Mayweather ducking Pacquiao for 5-6 years for the very same reasons of being "Scared" and "waiting for him to slow down"...