Better Resume: Chris Byrd or Vitali Klitschko???

[billeau2]

Man you can make up all the things you want but i will just go with the facts.....HE LOST TO LENNOX AND BYRD.... Both are losses on his record and can count to the others record...hence Byrd has a better resume...and ya'll want to call Holyfeild and Tua over the hill..but Lennox was old as hell to and Vitali still lost to him

Klitchko land is like Mr Roger's make believe land. In Klitchko land lenox hit Vitalie with a black jack between rounds and it gave Vitalie a slight cut which was a mere flesh wound and he should have been allowed to continue because be was battering Lewis!!! As a matter of fact....Leroy tole me that the reason vitalie's face oppened up is because he hit lewis so hard that his skin popped open!

And Byrd doesn't really have a better record because Well because boxing goat says so.

[LacedUp]

I'm not a shameless vitali defender so I won't sit here and be ****** over the issue. He lost, and no, wins of that nature shouldn't be discounted, I just have an issue when people make that Byrd victory appear like he beat him around the ring and made him quit.

I'm just saying it goes both ways. But no one was hard on a rematch for Charr for example, who was competitive and where it was stopped because of a bs cut.

I don't know whether I'd call it quitting. I believe he was in bad pain.

However, I'd rather call it quitting than giving Vitali a make-believe win.

[The Big Dunn]

Stop repeating that he quit as if Byrd was kicking his ass. Vitali was way up on the scorecards and had to stop the fight because of a torn rotator cuff. If he was getting dominated and "quit," You'd have a point but as usual you don't.

was this post necessary? you edited out this part of my post-You don't get the 100 meter gold medal if you are ahead at the 60 meter mark. Boxing is about the outcome, not what happened at the midpoint.- which doesn't suggest or imply Byrd was winning but that Vitali was ahead but ended up losing.

[billeau2]

moorer was shot to bits and I never rated oquendo

Beez your smarter than that....you see how many excuses you are making? There are caveats....sometimes they are significant. You are basically saying a 28 year old fighter was shot, and to make this case now you are saying that the people he beat are shot...Seriously. You post well but this line of reasoning you present here is tending quickly towards the absurd.

[El-blanco]

was this post necessary? you edited out this part of my post-You don't get the 100 meter gold medal if you are ahead at the 60 meter mark. Boxing is about the outcome, not what happened at the midpoint.- which doesn't suggest or imply Byrd was winning but that Vitali was ahead but ended up losing.

What you said in total was on the previous page, I'm responding specifically to the point about quitting.

[billeau2]

Vitali's opponents have an average record that blows Chris Byrd's out of the water.

Every single one of his opponents were past, present or future champs,

Unbeaten or nearly unbeaten prospects.

Who gives a damn if Vitali suffered technical losses to Byrd and Lennox.

Byrd and LEnnox both have losses on their record too. Lennox has the SAME 2 losses on his record with less fights! And to guys much lesser than Vitali! Byrd has a suite of losses on his record by comparison to Vitali. You can't slam VK for stuff that also afflicts his beaters as well.

In both the Byrd and Lennox losses, Vitali proved he was the better fighter beyond any controversy.

^^^ Vitali Klitschko HAS NEVER ONCE SUFFERED A CLEAR AND PROPER LOSS!

He has lost a fight but he has never been BEATEN, so to speak!



Anything else is just a hate crime!

Elroy they say that "Crack kills" in your case? not quickly enough.

[LacedUp]

What about Calzaghe? Who did he beat? Does that apply to him too?

Look, Vitali has a great resume. Aside from getting the better of ATG Lennox Lewis, he fought and beat the who's who of the Ring top ten the majority of his title reign that his brother didn't already beat. The simple fact is that he ruined many fighters spirits and made it look easy so in retrospect, it seems like he fought mid pack competition. But, that just wasn't the case. Anyone who says he has less than a stellar career is a hating idiot. Period.

Yes it does. Calzaghe has a very weak resume. but at least beat the other great supermiddleweight of his era in Kessler. And another top ranked contender and champion in Lacy. Also moved up and became lineal champion at another weight.

But his resume isn't that great no.

He didn't beat top 10 contenders for the majority of his reign no. and his title reign is 12-1. Ring didn't count WBO when he was champion.

[El-blanco]

I don't know whether I'd call it quitting. I believe he was in bad pain.

However, I'd rather call it quitting than giving Vitali a make-believe win.

Im not giving vitali a make believe win, he lost. However, quitting connotes that someone was losing bad and bailed on the fight, like Ortiz did with maidana. Yes, he lost, but saying he quit is a dishonest assessment that doesn't take circumstances into account. People who continually say it, not you, are trying to denigrate his accomplishments by making him out to be some coward.

[billeau2]

Im not giving vitali a make believe win, he lost. However, quitting connotes that someone was losing bad and bailed on the fight, like Ortiz did with maidana. Yes, he lost, but saying he quit is a dishonest assessment that doesn't take circumstances into account. People who continually say it, not you, are trying to denigrate his accomplishments by making him out to be some coward.

Yet boxers often fight with horrendous injuries, and this is relevant. I would never say "coward" but i would say "arthur abrahms." If Klitchko wants to ne compared to some great fighters despite his resume, I would mention ali fighting with a broken jaw. Its funny how people have no problem when someone like Ortiz is maligned for quitting but its bad form to mention Vitalie's choice to quit against Byrd? In essence Byrd made Vitalie quit the fight because Vitalie had a choice in this fight....so Byrd won. Some fights are won on wills and this was one of them. It is no less a win for Byrd.

[Elroy1]

Klitchko land is like Mr Roger's make believe land. In Klitchko land lenox hit Vitalie with a black jack between rounds and it gave Vitalie a slight cut which was a mere flesh wound and he should have been allowed to continue because be was battering Lewis!!! As a matter of fact....Leroy tole me that the reason vitalie's face oppened up is because he hit lewis so hard that his skin popped open!

And Byrd doesn't really have a better record because Well because boxing goat says so.

No Klitschko fan (=Demonstratably the most intelligent fanbase in boxing) has ever given any such opinions including me as you have presented here.



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