Better Resume: Chris Byrd or Vitali Klitschko???

[Stuntman Mike]

If Byrd's win over Vitali was a genuine win in terms of actually winning on merit, it would perhaps swing his resume above Vit's. Some very good NAMES on Byrd's ledger. However, Vitali's longevity, dominance, statistical achievements, and performance v an ATG, as well as dominating Byrd before his body gave out, give him the clear edge.

When you think of Lennox Lewis, his resume was already set and so was his legacy, no one talks about Vitali because of the circumstances of that fight as something that really made his resume so much better, although arguably Vitali (near or at prime) was the best fighter Lennox ever faced or beat.

Similarly, no one really counts Vitali as a genuine win on merit for Byrd, it's merely a stat on paper. Admittedly, that stat is a favourable one to have, but everybody knows Vitali is and was a far superior fighter to Byrd.

So what? we give that fight as a win to Vitali or do we just completely write off the fact he quit on his stool?...its a loss because one man chose to quit regardless of what was happening beforehand

[PainfromUkraine]

So what? we give that fight as a win to Vitali or do we just completely write off the fact he quit on his stool?...its a loss because one man chose to quit regardless of what was happening beforehand

It's a loss, I'm not dis*****g that lol. Don't mistake me for some posters who make excuses. No, we don't write off the fact he quit. He quit. Legitimately in my opinion, as it could well have saved his future career. But we also don't write off the fact that he dominated Byrd for the vast majority of the fight, and thus showed he was the better fighter. You have to take these kinds of fights with a huge pinch of salt. The final result remains, but you must take into account the circumstances too.

Put it this way, you don't count a win as highly if the fighter is shot or well past his best, for instance for Leon Spinks v Ali. Similar principle here - the result stands, but the circumstances mean you don't count that on someone's resume as a 'clean' win, fully on merit and not because of a fighter being shot/suffering a freak injury.

[Elroy1]

So what? we give that fight as a win to Vitali or do we just completely write off the fact he quit on his stool?...its a loss because one man chose to quit regardless of what was happening beforehand

This is straight up nut bag bias.

When I mentioned that Vitali's resume consists of opponents with far superior records than did Ali's resume, raw stats do not matter.

But now that the Byrd fight is actually being looked at, you want ONLY the raw stat to matter?

You can't have it both ways!

Or in fact we sort of can. We have to let the stats guide us and also temper it with circumstances too. Just like Mr. Pain here has done.

Your a troll Landa!

[Boxing Goat]

Only on Planet Klitschko...

You're clearly a hating moron so stfu with your red k bait thread b#llsh×t

[Boxing Goat]

Close, but I'll say Chris Byrd because of his win over Vitali.

Are you joking?

[Boxing Goat]

He has a win over Vitali himself.....and faded or not they are both better wins then anything Vitali has

Sam Peter or Sniper Sanders would have put Holyfield in a coma at the time Byrd beat him.

[Boxing Goat]

So what? we give that fight as a win to Vitali or do we just completely write off the fact he quit on his stool?...its a loss because one man chose to quit regardless of what was happening beforehand

Vitali took exactly no punishment from Byrd whatsoever and retired while winning easily. He was injured and not by Byrd. It wasn't a real win for Byrd and nobody with sense really counts it as one.

[Boxing Goat]

It's a loss, I'm not dis*****g that lol. Don't mistake me for some posters who make excuses. No, we don't write off the fact he quit. He quit. Legitimately in my opinion, as it could well have saved his future career. But we also don't write off the fact that he dominated Byrd for the vast majority of the fight, and thus showed he was the better fighter. You have to take these kinds of fights with a huge pinch of salt. The final result remains, but you must take into account the circumstances too.

Put it this way, you don't count a win as highly if the fighter is shot or well past his best, for instance for Leon Spinks v Ali. Similar principle here - the result stands, but the circumstances mean you don't count that on someone's resume as a 'clean' win, fully on merit and not because of a fighter being shot/suffering a freak injury.

He knows the difference he just chooses not to accept it

[Elroy1]

Sam Peter or Sniper Sanders would have put Holyfield in a coma at the time Byrd beat him.

I can only agree with this.

That comment about Holyfield and Tua being better than anything on Vitali's resume is outrageous!

Again, circumstance. Holyfield was wasted by former MW James Toney and bested by John Ruiz and Valuev also.

And Tua was never a champ anyway and JUST a puncher.

Byrd survived Tua by flipping all over the place like a grasshopper in a jar fill of venomous spiders.

Byrd was a great boxer but these accusations at Vitali's resume are far over the top.

[Showtime..]

Elroy, who's the greatest Cruiserweight of all time?