The Final Word on Wladmir Klitschko

[LacedUp]

klittard



klitschko hater





dunno, racist?

schizophrenic

[cupocity303]

If you try. I mean if you really try hard.







Maybe Wlad's schlong can go even deeper up inside you.

Relax man, it was just a over-the-top reply to a over-the-top thread topic.

I see you've been going moderate on Wlad, defending him here and there. Good job. I don't know if it's a political-esque running for NSB moderator or sincere, but good job.

Maybe I'll follow suit and start bashing Wlad a bit just to meet you in the middle.

[cupocity303]

Pretty accurate assessment of Wladimir.

No it isn't.

As I said earlier, it's not his fault that he came along in the era that he did; but when judging a career, the competition has to be taken into consideration.

His level of competition is no worse or no better then any other Champions from the past.

Maybe Wlad wold have overcome if he had to dig down deep in a fight; but we'll never know cause after he got his scrap, he was never really challenged. He never had to get off the deck life,e Holmes and Louis, and Frazier did. He never had to come back in the face of an imminent stoppage due to a severe laceration like Marciano and Robinson and countless other greats. He never had to get off the stool in the tenth round, when he felt the closest thing to death in 120 degree heat and face down his nemesis in front of him in the rubber match of his life.

Tell me, did you have a cigar in your mouth and a fedora hat resembling that of Bert Sugar. This is all superficial nonsense and has no bearing on someone's greatness.

Wlad was very talented and very gifted;

Correction. STILL IS VERY TALENTED and going. His career isn't over yet, and coming to some snobby conclusion about his legacy is rubbish.

but placing him atop the mountain of all the other great fighters who came before him and paid their dues where he had an essentially free reign is ludicrous.

What free reign?

Boxing greatness is earned through blood, sweat, tears, and great moments against great opposition.

No it isn't or Arturo Gatti and Mickey ward would be the ATG's.

The fact is when he was tested, he gassed out against Purity, imploded against Sanders, and had a panic attack after punch in himself out against Brewster.

I see that you're the argument-for-perfection fallacy, a little term I coined. Basically, what you're saying is that instead of Wlad having a pretty damn good 63-3 record, he should be 66-0. No room for error right? The competition is so terrible, that he should be winning every round of every fight and be 66-0, right? Either that, or give us FOTY's where he squeaks out split decision wins.

Except, Wlad is soo good that nobody can outbox him. Either he dominates you on route to a UD or a Ko, or you catch him with something and get him out of there - something which nobody has been able to do for almost 10 years now.

[LacedUp]

Relax man, it was just a over-the-top reply to a over-the-top thread topic.

I see you've been going moderate on Wlad, defending him here and there. Good job. I don't know if it's a political-esque running for NSB moderator or sincere, but good job.

Maybe I'll follow suit and start bashing Wlad a bit just to meet you in the middle.

I've always done that, people just don't notice it. I must admit though, that I've taken a personal liking to Wlad lately. He's been a little more honest lately which I appreciate. And he's a top pro.

I still think he can do better in the ring in terms of utilizing his obvious talents. The Pulev fight gave me an inclination he might do that.

[Weltschmerz]

The final word.

Oh, thank you TS

[joe strong]

does anyone actually watch wlad's fights or do you just go to boxrec? how do you just graze over the fact he clinched 187 times against povetkin? do you seriously consider that a "win" or even 49 times in 4 and a half rounds against pulev. do you ever factor in the cheating into the greatness equation and if he wasn't allowed to cheat what would happen...oh right we know because we saw him hit the canvas a dozen times before he started cheating.

I do find in interesting how some say it is ok for Wladimir to clinch but it wasn't ok for john ruiz to do it...

[Butt stuff]

At this point:

1 Wladimir Klitschko



AND


A


VERY


DISTANT


SECOND






















2. Muhamad Ali

3. Joe Louis

4. Larry Holmes

5. Lennox Lewis


and so on and so forth.

do u gag when the tip of Wlads jeb end smashes against the back of ur throat?

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Pretty accurate assessment of Wladimir. As I said earlier, it's not his fault that he came along in the era that he did; but when judging a career, the competition has to be taken into consideration.

Maybe Wlad wold have overcome if he had to dig down deep in a fight; but we'll never know cause after he got his scrap, he was never really challenged. He never had to get off the deck life,e Holmes and Louis, and Frazier did. He never had to come back in the face of an imminent stoppage due to a severe laceration like Marciano and Robinson and countless other greats. He never had to get off the stool in the tenth round, when he felt the closest thing to death in 120 degree heat and face down his nemesis in front of him in the rubber match of his life.

Wlad was very talented and very gifted; but placing him atop the mountain of all the other great fighters who came before him and paid their dues where he had an essentially free reign is ludicrous. Boxing greatness is earned through blood, sweat, tears, and great moments against great opposition.

The fact is when he was tested, he gassed out against Purity, imploded against Sanders, and had a panic attack after punch in himself out against Brewster.

He did improve greatly after those losses; but when did he fake his final exam to prove what he had learned? Peter? Haye? Povetkin?

For now, I'll place him in the Top 20. After further consideration, I might move him to 15 or maybe a tad higher; but I cannot fathom any universe where he has actually proven himself to be seated in anyone's Top Ten....no legitimate list anyway.

as of today, wlad is no 7 on my atg hw list.

Please post your list you have raised my curiosity.

No it isn't.




His level of competition is no worse or no better then any other Champions from the past.




Tell me, did you have a cigar in your mouth and a fedora hat resembling that of Bert Sugar. This is all superficial nonsense and has no bearing on someone's greatness.




Correction. STILL IS VERY TALENTED and going. His career isn't over yet, and coming to some snobby conclusion about his legacy is rubbish.






What free reign?





No it isn't or Arturo Gatti and Mickey ward would be the ATG's.



I see that you're the argument-for-perfection fallacy, a little term I coined. Basically, what you're saying is that instead of Wlad having a pretty damn good 63-3 record, he should be 66-0. No room for error right? The competition is so terrible, that he should be winning every round of every fight and be 66-0, right? Either that, or give us FOTY's where he squeaks out split decision wins.

Except, Wlad is soo good that nobody can outbox him. Either he dominates you on route to a UD or a Ko, or you catch him with something and get him out of there - something which nobody has been able to do for almost 10 years now.

You both have good points about Grabmir Klittiko BUT 63-3 against cab drivers and unknowns he even lost to a PGA golfer once....I don't think Ali ever lost to a PGA golfer did he? From one extreme to the next. Wlad is a great Champion, he is an elite athlete and superb boxer. I just don't see him that high on the ATG list as the TS or Elroy jetson.

[beez721]

I do find in interesting how some say it is ok for Wladimir to clinch but it wasn't ok for john ruiz to do it...

ruiz did it excessively in all his fights and it usually went to the cards. at least in wlads case he usually gets the kayo and lands some thudding shots in between. Its only been a couple fights where his clinching was as bad as ruiz

[Elroy1]

No it isn't.




His level of competition is no worse or no better then any other Champions from the past.




Tell me, did you have a cigar in your mouth and a fedora hat resembling that of Bert Sugar. This is all superficial nonsense and has no bearing on someone's greatness.




Correction. STILL IS VERY TALENTED and going. His career isn't over yet, and coming to some snobby conclusion about his legacy is rubbish.






What free reign?





No it isn't or Arturo Gatti and Mickey ward would be the ATG's.



I see that you're the argument-for-perfection fallacy, a little term I coined. Basically, what you're saying is that instead of Wlad having a pretty damn good 63-3 record, he should be 66-0. No room for error right? The competition is so terrible, that he should be winning every round of every fight and be 66-0, right? Either that, or give us FOTY's where he squeaks out split decision wins.

Except, Wlad is soo good that nobody can outbox him. Either he dominates you on route to a UD or a Ko, or you catch him with something and get him out of there - something which nobody has been able to do for almost 10 years now.

Powerful post, comprehensive reply, even handed and fair treatment.

I dare a nut bag to respond to this affront to nutbaggery!!